Good solution for uploader but only 2mbps up?

hyelton · Nov 24, 2015

Wasn't sure we're to post this. But my only struggle with my connection is i only have 2mbps up on my cable connection paired with 24mbps down. Well when uploading without QoS it absolutely kills my connection to unusable. Even some routers QoS for upload doesn't work at all! Currently my archer c9 is working decently but the newer firmware update kills QoS (doesn't work for me anyway) same goes for Asus routers/firmware. Even I can set my upload lower to 1.9mbps and it will still kill my connection. While routers like the archer c9 with the older firmware works decently.

Any suggestions?? I'v thought about trying pfsesne again. But last time QoS never worked correctly for me.

Thanks.

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System Error Message · Nov 24, 2015

you need a good router. When upload is full you cant download because you cant send commands to download. You need to reserve a bit of bandwidth both ways for the other. Also QoS on consumer routers are pretty much useless unless you use a different router or firmware like openwrt, tomato, RMerlin firmware, mikrotik, ubiquiti, pfsense. For QoS to be effective you must apply both bandwidth and priority control at the same time while consumer routers cannot do both at the same time. Mikrotik has the most options for QoS but is the least supported and the most complicated.

hyelton · Nov 24, 2015

System Error Message said:
you need a good router. When upload is full you cant download because you cant send commands to download. You need to reserve a bit of bandwidth both ways for the other. Also QoS on consumer routers are pretty much useless unless you use a different router or firmware like openwrt, tomato, RMerlin firmware, mikrotik, ubiquiti, pfsense. For QoS to be effective you must apply both bandwidth and priority control at the same time while consumer routers cannot do both at the same time. Mikrotik has the most options for QoS but is the least supported and the most complicated.

Thanks! I have found that limiting my upload to 1.9 mbps makes everything work smoothly while uploading. My only issue with ddwrt, tomato etc is I usually run into other issues like reliably issues from pages loading slowly etc. Which it could be my OCD.

I guess I could give pfsesne another go. I'm just tired of this years of trying things every few months.

Pfsesne would be running on an Athlon 64 X2 4400 with 3GB of ram. I guess I just have an ocd with things. Like right now the Archer C9 is working perfect beside the occasional glitch when loads of clients and I'm uploading. But the uptime has been wonderful.

I think what I want for a perfect network is BW monitoring (live). Upload QoS, and possibly a local DNS if I go the pfsesne route.

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Trip · Nov 24, 2015

Thus the beauty of fq_codel (and the soon-to-be-released - cake). Tell it download and upload speeds. Done.

Ubiquiti has it's shortcomings, but a $50 EdgeRouter-X has it baked in and working out of the box in combination with HTB to make their "Smart Queue" feature. It'll do 250-300 Mb/s or so before breaking a sweat. At least something to consider, especially for $50, working out-of-the-box.

System Error Message · Nov 24, 2015

pfsense on a dual core AMD athlon will still work fine as long as you dont use realtek NICs. There has been CPU usage comparisons of soundcards and NICs and for pfsense marvel,broadcom and intel NICs usually have their own CPUs and as long as they are connected to the chipset or PCIe and not PCI than it will be better.

Im not sure if ubiquiti has a demo of their router online but mikrotik does and they use the same features for all platforms except for some hardware specific features involving switch chips and some hardware add ons but they dont have any support for things that mikrotik can do out that other routers cant so if you were to ask on the forum on basic things such as NAT, basic security you will get replies but anything more that makes mikrotik special and you will not get any replies. Its amazing that netduma managed to make mikrotik routers user friendly without the support from mikrotik.

hyelton · Nov 24, 2015

Trip said:
Thus the beauty of fq_codel (and the soon-to-be-released - cake). Tell it download and upload speeds. Done.

Ubiquiti has it's shortcomings, but a $50 EdgeRouter-X has it baked in and working out of the box in combination with HTB to make their "Smart Queue" feature. It'll do 250-300 Mb/s or so before breaking a sweat. At least something to consider, especially for $50, working out-of-the-box.

System Error Message said:
pfsense on a dual core AMD athlon will still work fine as long as you dont use realtek NICs. There has been CPU usage comparisons of soundcards and NICs and for pfsense marvel,broadcom and intel NICs usually have their own CPUs and as long as they are connected to the chipset or PCIe and not PCI than it will be better.

Im not sure if ubiquiti has a demo of their router online but mikrotik does and they use the same features for all platforms except for some hardware specific features involving switch chips and some hardware add ons but they dont have any support for things that mikrotik can do out that other routers cant so if you were to ask on the forum on basic things such as NAT, basic security you will get replies but anything more that makes mikrotik special and you will not get any replies. Its amazing that netduma managed to make mikrotik routers user friendly without the support from mikrotik.

Thanks! I think I'm really digging the Edgerouter-X, I remember seeing the light and thought about it. Worth it?

I like the EdgeOS or whatever they call it. As long as it includes some good upload QoS. I'll go for it.

EDIT: Maybe QoS is not as simple on it sadly.

Now say if I go back to using DD-WRT (I've used it for a long time) So I usually prefer it over tomato, But What would the best QoS settings be? Maybe I am just now setting it up correctly? As the only thing I really do is check a few of the boxes and enter in my upload that I want.

hyelton · Nov 24, 2015

??? Okay then lol. I have 8k + posts on another forum and never seen this before.. This message is awaiting moderator approval, and is invisible to normal visitors.

Anyway seems this post works

Thanks! I think I'm really digging the Edgerouter-X, I remember seeing the light and thought about it. Worth it?

I like the EdgeOS or whatever they call it. As long as it includes some good upload QoS. I'll go for it.

EDIT: Maybe QoS is not as simple on it sadly.

Now say if I go back to using DD-WRT (I've used it for a long time) So I usually prefer it over tomato, But What would the best QoS settings be? Maybe I am just now setting it up correctly? As the only thing I really do is check a few of the boxes and enter in my upload that I want.

Nullity · Nov 24, 2015

You want fq_codel.

Or you can try tuning the network buffers, but that has drawbacks because you can either tune for best throughput or best latency, not both. Though, since you only need 2Mbit, not 1Gbit (which the buffers are most likely tuned for), this might be a viable option, unless your device is also buffering internal traffic, like an AP. I dunno if the same buffers are used.

If you can enable RED (AsusWRT has it), that may be a reasonable alternative if fq_codel/codel is not available.

Ultimately, you want fq_codel.

System Error Message · Nov 25, 2015

theres no need for dd-wrt, openwrt is much better

Trip · Nov 25, 2015

OpenWRT is nice, and I find to be pretty darn stable on Atheros WiSoC stuff, like the $50 TP-Link WDR3600.

Here's the guide on how to enable fq_codel and friends on OpenWRT:
https://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/sqm

hyelton · Nov 25, 2015

Trip said:
OpenWRT is nice, and I find to be pretty darn stable on Atheros WiSoC stuff, like the $50 TP-Link WDR3600.

Here's the guide on how to enable fq_codel and friends on OpenWRT:
https://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/sqm

OpenWRT is actually the only thing I have no tried 3 party firmware wise. except for a few months on Gargoyle a few years ago. I really don't want to buy another router at the moment lol. Currently have a R6300v2 and a Archer C9. Archer C9 seems to work with DD-WRT but its not a simple task to go back. So I might go back to using my R6300v2. I love the stock firmware on the R6300v2 but QoS doesnt work for anything.

I know theres tons of threads on this stuff around the DD-WRT forums about which to go with Broadcom or Atheros, which would handle my situation better? My past few routers have been broadcom based.

System Error Message · Nov 25, 2015

Just forget about dd-wrt, openwrt is very different and many times better. Unlike dd-wrt, openwrt is made with generalisation in mind and fully open sourced so only minor tweaks are done to get them working on different platforms. Both tomato and openwrt would do fine. In terms of platform it doesnt matter because you only have 26Mb/s of total bandwidth which is something that a single core MIPS can do with firewall and QoS with no problems. Additionally you may want to use the faster platform as your router because with openwrt there are loads of things you can run and do with it and for tomato it means better response.

Lee Sharp · Nov 27, 2015

The easiest QOS I have ever seen is the old traffic shaper from m0n0wall. It is still available in the m0n0wall fork at http://www.smallwall.org and in new hardware at http://www.mitxpc.com/products.php?cat=140 .

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