Why No 10GbE For Home Users?

azazel1024 · Jul 23, 2015

Dell and Supermicro are always a lot more than Netgear, so that doesn't surprise me.

I WILL be surprised if in another 2-3 years we don't see some of the "lower tier" networking manufacturers start adding copper 10GbE options at reasonable prices. TP-Link I know just added an L3 switch with SFP+ slots (4?) a few months ago at a pretty reasonable (for an L3) price.

I'd guess, 2-3 and we will start seeing companies like DLink, Trendnet, TP-Link, etc. start offering some switches with 10GbE and not just SFP+ slots.

I think it is going to take Intel/Marvell/Broadcom another generational shrink in their 10GbE silicon before the price per controller as well as power consumption is where it "needs to be" for lower cost manufacturers to start implementing it, as well as starting to see it in more entry level and reasonably priced NICs (standalone, high end consumer motherboards, etc.).

10GbE is slowly gaining more penetration, but it is slow. I still think 2.5/5GbE is going to get there first and possibly retard the introduction of 10GbE in the consumer space though.

eddiez · Jul 23, 2015

Terry Kennedy said:
True, but I would have expected to see more 10GbE offerings in the "prosumer" and SMB areas. Netgear has shown that a reasonable 10GbE switch can be profitable at under $100/port. But as soon as you look at the next tier up (Dell, Supermicro, etc.) you're looking at $350+/port (for example, Dell N4032).

Profit margines probably too low (cost price), potential sales volume too low to compensate?

dmikester1 · Feb 10, 2016

2016 - any changes in the consumer 10GbE scene?

Tucu · Feb 10, 2016

dmikester1 said:
2016 - any changes in the consumer 10GbE scene?

No and don't expect any changes for a few more years. NBASE-T (at 2.5 and 5 gbps) might make an appeareance in the consumer sector this year.

System Error Message · Feb 11, 2016

If you want cheap 10Gbe there are lower cost switches with them and SFP+ is an option. used SFP+ cards are actually quite cheap but you have to take into account how you want to connect them. SFP+ direct is cheap but the 10Gbe ethernet modules are expensive with some restrictions as well. Currently i think SFP+ is the cheapest way to get 10Gb/s.

Tucu · Feb 11, 2016

10Gbe will have a lot of competition in the consumer market and might never be widely adopted. NBase-T as a value for money upgrade from 1000Base-T, USB 3.1 for storage discs and arrays, Thunderbolt 3 for storage and point to point networking (up to 6 devices with daisy chaining).

Cloud200 · Feb 11, 2016

Well there is the

System Error Message said:
If you want cheap 10Gbe there are lower cost switches with them and SFP+ is an option. used SFP+ cards are actually quite cheap but you have to take into account how you want to connect them. SFP+ direct is cheap but the 10Gbe ethernet modules are expensive with some restrictions as well. Currently i think SFP+ is the cheapest way to get 10Gb/s.

The more complex things are the harder they are to adopt.
A regular user conceptually wont understand why some SFPs work while others wont . . . especially if they "fit"

For this reason I think if it does not have an RJ45 it will have pushback in widespread consumer adoption.

Shrmn · Mar 11, 2016

Just going to chip in here that in Singapore, we have 3 Internet Service Providers providing consumer 10Gbps fibre internet. 1 uses X-GPON while the other uses the government-appointed NGNBN provider (NetLink trust) with a not-so-consistent transfer rate.

The provider using X-GPON is selling a mikrotik CCR-1036 with their 10Gbps plan, which has 2x SFP ports and 8x RJ45 ports. They've got a partnership with a local DIY system builder (Aftershock) to sell desktops with supported 10GbE PCIe NICs in order to handle those speeds.

This same provider was also the first in the country to have 2Gbps connectivity (for which they sold the mikrotik CCR-1009 to handle this).

System Error Message · Mar 14, 2016

and other countries still havent reached 10Gb/s :O, shame on them. I've been 10G internet ready for more than a year since i got my mikrotik CCR1036. Funny thing is if it is for consumers i think they are going to complain about the fan noise.

omw · Mar 24, 2016

System Error Message said:
SFP+ direct is cheap

Could you tell me what you mean by "SFP+ direct"? Like what kind (material) of cable are you talking about exactly? Thanks

System Error Message · Mar 24, 2016

its usually a thick copper cable with SFP plugs so you just plug them into SFP ports. Its much cheaper than buying 10Gbe SFP modules with cat6a cables.

Cloud200 · Mar 24, 2016

System Error Message said:
its usually a thick copper cable with SFP plugs so you just plug them into SFP ports. Its much cheaper than buying 10Gbe SFP modules with cat6a cables.

Theres only one 10gBase-T SFP+ module in existence at this time.
It is the HP 813874-B21
Because of the reduced power it is good for about 100ft.
It also costs about $1500 per module . . . so if you are going SFP+ to SFP+ thats $3000+ the price of the cable.

There are no "unbranded" alternatives.

System Error Message · Mar 24, 2016

Theres mikrotik if you're looking for SFP+ to SFP+ direct. Mikrotik sells their SFP modules for a lot less. Their SFP+ to SFP+ direct costs like around $10 for 1M of length and the module is part of the cable.

some dude · Apr 26, 2016

I'm interested in 40Gb. I see some used cards for $75 and new from 500. Prefer using fiber cable to connect 2 PCs, no router or switch.

And to add. .. comcrap is offering 2Gb connections and some cities have promised 10Gb. University of Michigan has a 100Gb internet2.edu connection.

ASUS might or might not come out with their Transfer Express device for USB 3. Already outdated since 3.1 is here. And it only works if both machines are ASUS. Not a smart move.

static418 · Apr 27, 2016

I've been after 10g equipment for a while and finally started seriously shopping after a link aggregation with 1g failed impress me. It's cheap now! My ebay shopping cart contains enough bits and bobs to upgrade 2 servers to 10g with cables and all for $210.
Quanta LB4M - $100
Proline SFP+ Twinax cables - $25 for 3M and $33 for 7M
Mellanox ConnectX-2 PCIe 10g cards - $37 each

It's hard to follow some of these threads where people talk about the cost of equipment but sometimes go on for years. This is as of 4/27/2016

sfx2000 · Apr 27, 2016

There's quite a bit of data center gear starting to show up on the eBay as companies are going thru retrofit cycles...

static418 · Apr 27, 2016

sfx2000 said:
There's quite a bit of data center gear starting to show up on the eBay as companies are going thru retrofit cycles...

Indeed there is! I'm simply excited that some seriously powerful stuff can finally be had with a hobbyist budget. I've been waiting for years for this stuff to be visible from planet Poor.

L&LD · Apr 27, 2016

static418 said:
Indeed there is! I'm simply excited that some seriously powerful stuff can finally be had with a hobbyist budget. I've been waiting for years for this stuff to be visible from planet Poor.

I'm firmly in planet Poor too. But I prefer the devices I get be in planet Quiet and planet Low Power too.

They're not throwing out those things for no reason.

static418 · Apr 27, 2016

L&LD said:
I'm firmly in planet Poor too. But I prefer the devices I get be in planet Quiet and planet Low Power too.

They're not throwing out those things for no reason.

Yeahhhh... I chuckled a little when I realized that just the switch consumes more power than my entire existing network setup. You always have to pay for it somewhere. You can add 10 bucks a month per 100 Watts and ride the corporate recycling train or drop the cash up front for new stuff that uses a reasonable amount of juice. I choose the monthly option xD

Noise I have no problem with. The office is on the opposite side of the apartment from my bedroom and I enjoy the white noise anyway. It'll be an experiment to see which gives out first: my neighbors' noise tolerance or the breaker for that room

sfx2000 · Apr 27, 2016

static418 said:
Indeed there is! I'm simply excited that some seriously powerful stuff can finally be had with a hobbyist budget. I've been waiting for years for this stuff to be visible from planet Poor.

Just note that much of that gear is high power use, and not really meant for the casual home user...

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