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slamdunk

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Hi everyone

I often read the SNB forums for a bit of advice here and there but this is my first post...

First a small bit of background to aid with the question. I live in the UK and my internet is provided by BT Fibre (FTTC). I use an openreach DSL modem which is then linked via Ethernet to an understairs cupboard where my Router (ASUS AC3200) and a large switch live. From this location I have 2x CAT6 cables running to various rooms in the house but also to an outbuilding which is mostly out of range of my AC3200 (some devices maintain a connection but its flaky). Wireless performance in the house is good.

I have multiple wired devices, a fair few wireless ones ( 25-30)

This is where my question comes in.

I have need to have wired and wireless connectivity in the outbuilding (to be used as an office/games room). The wired is sorted but I want to put a new wireless access port out there too for mobile devices and also a gaming device which doesn't have Ethernet.

At the moment, from my research, I have the following options on the table but would like some advice as the best/most cost effective / value for money way to go:

  1. purchase an additional ASUS router, connect via Ethernet and setup in AP mode with the same SSID
    • Would want one with Gigabit Ethernet to double up as a wired switch
    • Is it worth getting one with AI MESH support given my AC3200 doesn't support that
    • Worth paying more for higher end model (AC 88 / AC86) or just go for a cheaper one?
  2. replace the AC3200 with something newer as the main router and re-use the AC3200 as in AP mode
    • I have found a deal on an 88U with the built in DSL modem - I assume this would act as a better all-round router option than the AC3200 given its 3/4years newer?
    • Would a lower end AC86 / AC68 make sense?
  3. Replace the whole lot with a mesh system - this was my original thought but really I am not sure I need the "mesh" as I have a Ethernet backhaul I can use to extend the signal to the outbuilding
    • How much benefit is mesh vs AP when you have an Ethernet connection available
    • which mesh would be ideal in my use case?

Would like to hear any suggestions / comments you all may have - is there a 4th/5th option I may have neglected to include?

Is there a standout winner here?

thanks for reading!
 
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If you have Ethernet to the outbuilding, then install a router converted to AP and you'll be set. If you need more Ethernet ports, you can plug in a switch.

Gigabit Ethernet always beats wireless for bandwidth and stability. Period.
 
01. RT-AC68U, RT-AC68P, RT-AC66U_B1, RT-AC67U, RT-AC1900, RT-AC1900U and RT-AC1900P:
  1. Does not support Smart Connect
  2. Old CPU, bad if you use VPN (max 40-60MB)
  3. Old kernel v2.6.36.4 of 2011.
  4. Does not have this feature: Full cone NAT support
  5. Does not have this feature: Detailed wireless troubleshooting information

02. RT-AC3200, RT-AC3100, RT-AC88U and RT-AC5300:
  1. Support Smart Connect!
  2. Old CPU, bad if you use VPN (max 40-60MB)
  3. Old kernel v2.6.36.4 of 2011.
  4. Does not have this feature: Full cone NAT support
  5. Does not have this feature: Detailed wireless troubleshooting information

03. RT-AC86U: (The newest router of ASUS)
  1. The RT-AC86U is the upgrade of RT-AC68U and variants!
  2. Support Smart Connect!
  3. New CPU, good if you use VPN (240-430 MB)! PROOF
  4. New kernel v4.1.21 of 2016 (it's still a bit old)!
  5. Full cone NAT support!
  6. Detailed wireless troubleshooting information!
  7. New WiFi chipset Range Boost!

04. GT-AC5300:
  • @RMerlin does not support this router.
 
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If you have Ethernet to the outbuilding, then install a router converted to AP and you'll be set. If you need more Ethernet ports, you can plug in a switch.

Gigabit Ethernet always beats wireless for bandwidth and stability. Period.

Yes absolutely agree - I already have wired to the building and everything that can be, will be.

This particular problem is now the building will be getting more use the WIFI from the house is not strong enough to give a connection (or it is flaky) so I was looking for the best WIFI extension idea.

Sounds like you think a simple Router in AP mode should do the trick? Would the model/variant make much of a difference in this regard?
 
01. RT-AC68U, RT-AC68P, RT-AC67U, RT-AC1900, RT-AC1900U and RT-AC1900P:
  1. Does not support Smart Connect
  2. Old CPU, bad if you use VPN (max 40-60MB)
  3. Old kernel v2.6.36.4 of 2011.
  4. Does not have this feature: Full cone NAT support
  5. Does not have this feature: Detailed wireless troubleshooting information

02. RT-AC3200, RT-AC3100, RT-AC88U and RT-AC5300:
  1. Support Smart Connect!
  2. Old CPU, bad if you use VPN (max 40-60MB)
  3. Old kernel v2.6.36.4 of 2011.
  4. Does not have this feature: Full cone NAT support
  5. Does not have this feature: Detailed wireless troubleshooting information

3. RT-AC86U: (The newest router of ASUS)
  1. The RT-AC86U is the upgrade of RT-AC68U and variants!
  2. Support Smart Connect!
  3. New CPU, good if you use VPN (240-430 MB)! PROOF
  4. New kernel v4.1.21 (it's still a bit old) of 2016!
  5. Full cone NAT support!
  6. Detailed wireless troubleshooting information!
  7. New WiFi chipset Range Boost!

4. GT-AC5300:
  • @RMerlin does not support this router in other words it is worse than the RT-AC68U.
Thank you for the helpful list - I had incorrectly assumed the 88u was newer than the 86u it seems!

Do you happened to know if the smart connect works across devices in AP mode? i.e. if I buy a second ASUS with than support will it "talk" to my current AC3200?
 
01. RT-AC68U, RT-AC68P, RT-AC66U_B1, RT-AC67U, RT-AC1900, RT-AC1900U and RT-AC1900P:
  1. Does not support Smart Connect
  2. Old CPU, bad if you use VPN (max 40-60MB)
  3. Old kernel v2.6.36.4 of 2011.
  4. Does not have this feature: Full cone NAT support
  5. Does not have this feature: Detailed wireless troubleshooting information

02. RT-AC3200, RT-AC3100, RT-AC88U and RT-AC5300:
  1. Support Smart Connect!
  2. Old CPU, bad if you use VPN (max 40-60MB)
  3. Old kernel v2.6.36.4 of 2011.
  4. Does not have this feature: Full cone NAT support
  5. Does not have this feature: Detailed wireless troubleshooting information

03. RT-AC86U: (The newest router of ASUS)
  1. The RT-AC86U is the upgrade of RT-AC68U and variants!
  2. Support Smart Connect!
  3. New CPU, good if you use VPN (240-430 MB)! PROOF
  4. New kernel v4.1.21 of 2016 (it's still a bit old)!
  5. Full cone NAT support!
  6. Detailed wireless troubleshooting information!
  7. New WiFi chipset Range Boost!

04. GT-AC5300:
  • @RMerlin does not support this router.

That "Full cone NAT" information is questionable.

Legacy N-class routers from Asus allowed port forwarding (static port dstnat) that are not dependent on outbound connections and therefore are "Full Cone". Why would modern Asus AC routers be worse than legacy ones in this basic feature respect?
 
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