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What 2.4Ghz Speeds are you Seeing

Discussion in 'General Wireless Discussion' started by coxhaus, Sep 21, 2019.

  1. coxhaus

    coxhaus Part of the Furniture

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    I know what the link rates are for 2.4Ghz but what speeds are you really seeing in the US when using 2.4Ghz wireless. I am thinking of playing with 2.4 Ghz again with roaming. I am going to buy new APs with 4x4.

    What are my iPhone7+ and iphone7 limited to speed wise?
     
  2. Klueless

    Klueless Very Senior Member

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    I haven't benched that kind of stuff in a while but, back when I did, I remember 60 to 75 Mbps as being typical for "not crazy far" distances. I got those speeds using typical Internet speed tests and also from "net stress" (from "nuts about nets").

    None of my sites were in crazy/congested areas all fighting over channels either.
     
  3. MichaelCG

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    At my house, pretty sure my 2.4GHz doesn't make it past 30Mbps most days.

    A 4x4 2.4GHz AP....what client do you have that has 4x4 support?
     
  4. coxhaus

    coxhaus Part of the Furniture

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    That is one of the reasons I asked about the Apple iphone7+. I guess I will probably go shopping for the latest Intel wireless card and laptop. I only have 3 x 3:3 for 5 GHz and 2 x 2:2 for 2.4 GHz now with my Cisco WAP371 wireless APs but with only 5Ghz I see 520 to 702 lately reported by Windows 10. The lowest I see around my house is 300. I can't tell what my iphones see. I wonder if I will be unhappy again trying to use 2.4Ghz.

    My daughter has 1 of my Cisco WAP371 APs at her work now set to 5Ghz only so I don't have full coverage any more at my house. I was thinking of taking my other 2 WAP371 APs over to her house and installing them there.
     
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  5. mjc775

    mjc775 Occasional Visitor

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    The highest I’ve seen on a 2.4 GHz 20 MHz channel is in the 80 Mbps range.

    On the other hand on 5 GHz I’ve seen speeds max out Spectrum’s 400 Mbps plan - around 420 Mbps. I’m not sure if it was using 80 or 160 MHz channel bandwidth.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  6. OzarkEdge

    OzarkEdge Very Senior Member

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    I can't comment on the iPhone, but here are some speedtest.net results using Chrome on a PC Dell Latitude 7480 Core i7-7600U 2.8GHz Win10 Pro x64 laptop with an Intel Tri-Band Wireless-AC 18265 adapter connecting to my 2xRT-AC86U AiMesh with a 77' 5.0 GHz wireless backhaul.

    Cable ISP speeds of 100/10 typically test at 115/11 Mbps over wired Gigabit Ethernet and wireless AC WiFi.

    The 6 test connection distances are roughly on a line from the router to beyond the node: 6 tests with N 2.4 GHz; 2 tests with AC 5.0 GHz. The focus of this test is 2.4 GHz distance from node; I assume 2.4 GHz distance from router would be similar or better results.

    1. Connected to router, ~5', at router
    2.4 GHz, N, 20 MHz, 144.4 Mbps link rate
    102.85/11.33 Mbps
    99.97/11.38
    106.17/11.08

    2. Connected to router, ~40', halfway to node
    2.4 GHz, N, 20 MHz, 144.4 Mbps link rate
    105.19/11.38
    99.83/11.43
    108.44/11.39

    3a. Connected to node (signal dipped momentarily), ~10', beyond node
    2.4 GHz, N, 20 MHz, 144.4 Mbps link rate
    47.59/10.74
    53.32/11.43
    51.60/10.83

    3b. Connected to node, ~10', beyond node
    5.0 GHz, AC, 80 MHz, 866.7 Mbps link rate
    115.30/11.55
    110.21/10.90
    115.06/11.46

    4. Connected to node, ~84', beyond node
    2.4 GHz, N, 20 MHz, 144.4 Mbps link rate
    51.44/11.36
    48.10/10.49
    50.08/11.22

    5. Connected to node, ~210', beyond node
    2.4 GHz, N, 20 MHz, 130-144.4 Mbps link rate
    40.59/9.08
    44.35/11.90
    48.19/9.46

    6a. Connected to node, ~360', beyond node
    2.4 GHz, N, 20 MHz, 72-115 Mbps link rate
    25.5/7.58
    26.29/7.20
    19.27/7.35

    6b. Connected to node, ~360', beyond node
    5.0 GHz, AC, 80 MHz, 232-292 Mbps link rate
    39.97/6.87
    58.20/9.15
    66.34/9.52

    Note that 5.0 GHz still beats 2.4 GHz at the 360' max distance from node tested. Credit the laptop, I suspect.

    I regularly stream TuneIn and take the occasional VoIP/SIP/Zoiper call over a 2.4 GHz only mobile (no cellular data, 1 antenna) while roaming a 2-acre lot. That would roughly be equivalent to test 5 distance, more or less... test 6 distance is off the plantation, but still works.

    OE
     
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  7. MichaelCG

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    I see no reason why the iPhone would have any issues at all for basic service on the 2.4GHz band. It really could care less as long as it can get Internet access. Mine jumps to 2.4GHz when I am outside all the time. But usually stays on 5GHz when in the house.
    My neighborhood is too noisy of a 2.4GHz environment to get much performance at all. I think the iPhones are single stream 1x1 devices.....not 100% sure on that. If it is a 1x1, that would limit it to 72Mbps max link rate on a 20MHz 2.4GHz AP which in theory would lead to roughly a 50Mbps max throughput in good conditions.
    The only reason I even care if my iPhone is on 2.4GHz vs 5GHz is just to keep my 2.4GHz as clear as possible for those devices that have no other choice....like webcams.
     
  8. Val D.

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    iPhone 6s and up - 2x2 radio, 866Mbps max
     
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  9. coxhaus

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    I don't think the iPhones have any issues on 2.4Ghz. They seem to work better on 5Ghz. I noticed scrolling pictures on the internet was smoother than 2.4Ghz. This was 3 or 4 years ago when I tested. I turned off 2.4Ghz several years ago and I have never turned it on again , I think my wife had a iPhone 6s.
     
  10. MichaelCG

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    To note...he asked about 2.4GHz which tops out at 144Mbps on a 20MHz channel.

    If it matters, I have an iPhone6s and an iPhoneXR and both freely roam between 2.4GHz and 5GHz with no issues. We have multiple generations of iPads here as well. As well as many various Android devices. The biggest challenge of having 2.4GHz enabled is keeping your clients off of it since its signal strength is quite often stronger than the 5GHz signal.
     
  11. coxhaus

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    Yes the problem I had when running both 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz was keeping the roaming from ending up on 2.4Ghz which I called a problem but it was not really an issue other than I did not like it.

    MichaelCG. How is your roaming from AP to AP with Wi-Fi calling and iPhones? Is it perfect? My FaceTime roaming is perfect but I lose a few words on Wi-Fi roaming which is not really a problem but again I don't like it.
     
  12. MichaelCG

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    I don't use generally use WiFi calling on my iPhone since ATT WiFi calling tends to have volume level differences from normal calling. But I use Google Hangouts/Meet, WebEx, Zoom, all the time on my laptop and iPhone and am able to walk around the house mostly freely. There are hiccups from time to time as I walk between APs and the phone tries to hold on longer than it should, still better quality than if I stayed on LTE only.

    FaceTime is not in my daily use case. It is pretty much only used for the kids talking to the Grandparents.