RT-AX58U wired backhaul or wireless?

[BeachGuy]

I have GT-AX6000 main router and RT-AX58U in wireless backhaul mesh node. The RT-AX58U specs say WiFi 6 (802.11ax) (5GHz) : up to 2402 Mbps. In my current configuration it is running at about 2000 Mbps Rx/Tx which seems pretty good. But I was thinking about getting a MoCA 2.5 Adapter (because I have cable in the house) to make it wired backhaul and free some 5GHz bandwidth for other devices/clients. Does that make sense or should I just stay with existing setup? Thanks

 

[bbunge]

Ethernet or wired backhaul is always preferred as the WIFI at the node, unless there is a dedicated WIFI for backhaul, uses half of the WIFI bandwidth communicating to the node and the other half to the clients. WIFI mesh systems are made to improve connection not bandwidth.

 

[BeachGuy]

Ethernet or wired backhaul is always preferred as the WIFI at the node, unless there is a dedicated WIFI for backhaul, uses half of the WIFI bandwidth communicating to the node and the other half to the clients. WIFI mesh systems are made to improve connection not bandwidth.

Thank you for your answer. So I take it you think getting the MoCA 2.5 Adapter and connecting node via it (cable/ethernet) is a good idea. I didn't know that even though the node is Tx/Rx ~2000 Mbps half of that is used between main and node communicating. So node clients only get a share of ~1000 Mbps, did I get that right? If I got the MoCA 2.5 Adapter and connected the node via it (cable/ethernet) the node clients would have greater bandwith or just connection?

I was thinking about getting goCoax MoCA 2.5. I have spectrum pc 20 modem. Do you know if I need POE filter? I read some things that say it's a good idea but you have to get the right one.

 

[degrub]

wireless clients get a share of the uplink/downlink bandwidth to the AP. Having more available "free" time on the wifi side allows more clients to connect or some clients to have more time. The actual connection link rate is determined by the settings in the AP and physical RF environment, not the uplink/downlink share time. If an AP uplink/downlink is over wifi, then the two APs prioritize the AP to AP link time over that of the clients by several methods.

Whether or not you will see higher throughput for an individual client depends on the physical link rate and the available free time in the AP wifi connection and wired backhaul versus wifi backhaul. Wired backhaul is more reliable and usually higher throughput for the backhaul.

All 4 of my APs function over moca 2 bonded backhaul.

Realize that your local bandwidth may not affect how fast a web page loads, but it could affect how fast you can run a backup or large file transfer to a local NAS or server.

 

[BeachGuy]

wireless clients get a share of the uplink/downlink bandwidth to the AP. Having more available "free" time on the wifi side allows more clients to connect or some clients to have more time. The actual connection link rate is determined by the settings in the AP and physical RF environment, not the uplink/downlink share time. If an AP uplink/downlink is over wifi, then the two APs prioritize the AP to AP link time over that of the clients by several methods.

Whether or not you will see higher throughput for an individual client depends on the physical link rate and the available free time in the AP wifi connection and wired backhaul versus wifi backhaul. Wired backhaul is more reliable and usually higher throughput for the backhaul.

All 4 of my APs function over moca 2 bonded backhaul.

Realize that your local bandwidth may not affect how fast a web page loads, but it could affect how fast you can run a backup or large file transfer to a local NAS or server.

What hardware did you use?

 

[degrub]

On the moca 2 side, Actiontec 6200s as i needed OTA TV signal pass through and moca 2.5 was not available. Home run to demarc ONT is GoCoax moca 2.5. ISP is Gbit fiber. My layout is a star with an ethernet switch as the hub for all the moca ethernet connections in the wiring closet.
APs are old CISCO 371 AC APs.

 

[BeachGuy]

Sweet. I purchased moca 2.5 with poe filter. Hope it all hooks up good and improves mesh and client connection. I'll report back...

 

[degrub]

Make sure you don't have any splitters left over from cable TV or OTA TV in the coax segment you are using for MOCA.

Is the coax RG59 or RG6 ( in the wall) ?

 

[BeachGuy]

Make sure you don't have any splitters left over from cable TV or OTA TV in the coax segment you are using for MOCA.

Is the coax RG59 or RG6 ( in the wall) ?

RG6. I'm following this guy's guide.

Do I have to do anything special to convert node from wireless backhaul to wired or will it automatically adjust once connected?

 

[degrub]

I don't know, house is about 20 y/o. I'm following this guy's guide.

Do I have to do anything special to convert node from wireless backhaul to wired or will it automatically adjust once connected?

i understand there is a setting for that that allows AUTO, WIFI, LAN or something like that. Don't know if you have to do on both of the pair or just the extension. Probably want to reboot both after. Maybe one of the ASUS users will chime in.

 

[BeachGuy]

I see under AiMesh: System Settings there is a toggle for Ethernet Backhaul Mode.

 

[degrub]

look at the help guide for setting it up.

 

[BeachGuy]

Does anybody know if I need a PoE filter and if so where I put it (before modem, before adapter etc.)? I called Spectrum but they're no help, they only troubleshoot their equipment. Thanks

I posted on another forum and they say the PoE filter goes where the cable comes into the house.

 

[degrub]

If this is a dedicated run of coax, not attached to anything but the moca modems, you don't need the POE filter.

draw us a sketch of your coax layout if the situation is anything but the above.

 

[BeachGuy]

If this is a dedicated run of coax, not attached to anything but the moca modems, you don't need the POE filter.

There is a cable coming in from outside, then a 2-way splitter-one to upstairs room (main router) and one to downstairs room (node). I was told I need PoE filter on cable coming in from outside right before it's connected to splitter so that signal doesn't travel back to others in my hub (neighborhood etc.).

 

[degrub]

sketch out your house coax, starting at the ISP demarc, with all devices and splitters, etc and overlay the proposed MOCA modem locations and cable route for the moca signal, please.

Is the coax modem (model # pls) DOCCIS 3.0 or 3.1 ?

 

[BeachGuy]

Diagram attached. Spectrum PC20 EU2251 (DOCCIS 3.1). I researched on internet and "they" say not MoCA compliant. Therefore, adapter needed.

I ordered the this MoCA 2.5 Network Adapter and this 'POE' Coax Filter.

 

[BeachGuy]

Interesting, krkaufman said with same modem "just install a MoCA filter (ideally a 70 dB model) directly on the modem, as a prophylactic". So I could put the filter on the modem connector and don't need another MoCA adapter between modem/router? And I don't need the filter at entry point to house? Now I'm getting really confused.

Spectrum EU2251 Modem and voice effected by MoCA?

If the modem is DOCCIS3.1 or higher. you would have to have moca modems that can be configured to use only the D-High bands. Not the case. As stated many posts back (post #3 in the thread), and as many others have had to do with the same modem handed out by Spectrum, just install a MoCA filter...

www.snbforums.com

 

[bbunge]

Don't use Ethernet backhaul mode. Run Ethernet from a router LAN port to the node WAN port and let the devices figure it out. Works for me!

 

[degrub]

Can you move the modem to the location of the ISP cable coming in to the two way splitter ?
disconnect the ISP cable from the IN port on the splitter and connect it to the modem directly. No worries about DOCCIS version and interference with MOCA.

There are no other devices on the coax ?
It is odd that the cable ISP would put a 2 way splitter in at the demarc if there was not another device - set top box for cable tv for example.

Here is how the layout should look if the ISP coax modem is using DOCCIS 3.0
see attached

If the modem is using DOCCIS 3.1 then we have to come up with a way to isolate your internal coax passing moca signals from the ISP modem. Easiest way may be to move the ISP modem and the GT6000 to the location of the demarc cable entry. Otherwise, you may need to run ethernet cables. If that is the only way, then might as well forget using moca.

EDIT - i just reread your post on the modem being DOCCIS3.1. The easy way in my picture is not going to work. Forget that idea.
You will need to move the cable modem to the demarc and connect it directly to the incoming cable. That frees up your internal coax for moca at full bandwidth. No POE filters required. It would be easiest if you can move a router to the same location unless you have two coax cables going to where the GT6000 is currently.