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Shame that this burden has been pushed onto the manufacturers, but this extra regulatory concern did not appear from nowhere. Abuse leads to regulation and I wish more people would consider that outcome before they make certain choices.

Agreed, it does not appear from nowhere. But abuse doesn't lead to regulation (how idyllic, that notion).

Regulation comes from a way to monetize (in some way, immediately, tomorrow or in the future) the thing that is being controlled.

Assuming everyone is guilty by default is not the world I want to believe or live in. Choice is freedom.

And if or when people choose wrongly; punish them. Not everyone 'just in case'.
 
Regulation comes from a way to monetize (in some way, immediately, tomorrow or in the future) the thing that is being controlled.

What I heard through the branches was that some airports were having problems caused by interference from non-compliant equipment, and they filed a complain to the FCC, which led to tighter regulations.
 
What I heard through the branches was that some airports were having problems caused by interference from non-compliant equipment, and they filed a complain to the FCC, which led to tighter regulations.

And again, respectfully, that is not the best response. It is not the 'equipment' at fault here, it is the illegal (in those specific instances) of how it was operated. Why do we all need to pay (when an airport around here is a luxury)?
 
Why do we all need to pay

You say that as if it was harming any regular user. It doesn't. For the vast majority of users, it will be business as usual. DD-WRT and Asuswrt-Merlin users will still be able to keep using our respective firmware.
 
My 2 cents:

...Why do we all need to pay...

Simple answer, control. The Gov never lets a good opportunity to seize more control go to waste.

You say that as if it was harming any regular user. It doesn't.

Weather or not we all will still be able to use Merlins software is not the point. The point is that we will have to now get the Gov's permission to use it going forward.

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And again, respectfully, that is not the best response. It is not the 'equipment' at fault here, it is the illegal (in those specific instances) of how it was operated. Why do we all need to pay (when an airport around here is a luxury)?

That is why I said "shame that the burden has been passed to the manufacturers." That is roughly the same as asking a gun manufacturer to make sure their guns cannot kill unarmed individuals, as if the misuse of their product is their responsibility. However, I am not convinced that this regulation has anything to do with a profit motive. The manufacturers do not want this anymore than the rest of us, as third party firmware actually helps them move product (and they don't have to support it).

Regulation of other things, such as drones by the FAA, were a direct response to morons interfering with emergency services by flying their drones over accidents and fires, as well as too close to aircraft/airports. They were not trying to do anything about it until hobbyists began to push the issue to the point of no return.
 
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Weather or not we all will still be able to use Merlins software is not the point. The point is that we will have to now get the Gov's permission to use it going forward.

You always had. FCC validation for any device dealing with radio frequencies has been required for decades. And be glad they do, otherwise can you imagine if your neighbour was allowed to run any kind of radio emitter at any power level he wished? Good luck having your own wireless device work properly if everyone around you were allowed to do as they pleased.

Radio waves is a shared resource, just like roads. Therefore rules must be put in place to prevent abusers, who would have a negative impact on everyone else.

The FCC simply changed some of the rules, as the existing rules have shown to be ineffective. They gave the industry two years to adapt. Those two years of transition end in June 2016.

So blame the abusers who ruined it for everyone else. It's not the manufacturer's fault, nor the FCC's fault.
 
interference from non-compliant equipment, and they filed a complain to the FCC, which led to tighter regulations.

thats what happens when they allow houses to be built so close to airports
Will this put and end to people like HGgomes,Xvortex and more importantly John's fork ?


it will put an end to ppl abusing the max erip regulations and those who hack the fw to allow it
 
You say that as if it was harming any regular user. It doesn't. For the vast majority of users, it will be business as usual. DD-WRT and Asuswrt-Merlin users will still be able to keep using our respective firmware.

Taking choice away does harm the 'regular' user. Even if my circumstances today don't require the latitude of the firmware from yesterday, that doesn't mean my circumstances tomorrow will be the same. Where I would have previously been able to take advantage of the latitude given by older versions.

The idea to punish the wrongdoings of individuals is a cornerstone of a free society.

The idea to punish all (by overly restrictive methods for even a few cases where the 'mass' use cases don't apply) is a society bordering on socialism and or communism, no matter what the 'official' name it goes by.
 
That is why I said "shame that the burden has been passed to the manufacturers." That is roughly the same as asking a gun manufacturer to make sure their guns cannot kill unarmed individuals, as if the misuse of their product is their responsibility. However, I am not convinced that this regulation has anything to do with a profit motive. The manufacturers do not want this anymore than the rest of us, as third party firmware actually helps them move product (and they don't have to support it).

Regulation of other things, such as drones by the FAA, were a direct response to morons interfering with emergency services by flying their drones over accidents and fires, as well as too close to aircraft/airports. They were not trying to do anything about it until hobbyists began to push the issue to the point of no return.

It is always a profit motive. Otherwise, nothing is done.

Manufacturers are not on our side. They are there to continue (indefinitely) making money for the officers and shareholders. If they can claim 'but the gov't doesn't allow us to do 'xxx'...' and the playing field (for them) is equal, they haven't lost anything themselves and as consumers, we are forced to buy lessor products going forward at increased prices and therefore more tax revenue for the gov't too. And the 'people' pay for it in the end as usual.

More money is the final goal. How they get there (both gov't and manufacturers) isn't important.

Maybe an easier way to see this is that government's don't run the world; corporations do (i.e. 'big money'). I know of no government that knows the inside scoop on any industry (and therefore, cannot make any sound decision for them). But they do know that if an industry or a single corporation 'fails', it will cost them (the gov't) money in the end. And true to form, they will do everything in their power to never let that happen. (Stop that source of revenue from coming in, that is).
 
The idea to punish all (by overly restrictive methods for even a few cases where the 'mass' use cases don't apply) is a society bordering on socialism and or communism, no matter what the 'official' name it goes by.

rather blind and short sighted view of this issue

when the actions of a few to allow the situation where other users can disregard the regulations and put hundreds of lives at stake the actions of the few need to be curtained for the safety of all , hardly what i would call anything but logical , to just allow Carte blanche code monkeys to openly disregard these regulations and standards smells more like anarchy to me
 
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Taking choice away does harm the 'regular' user.

There are speed limits on the road. Is that harming regular drivers?

Regulations are just as much about protecting yourself than anyone else. Ask HAM operators about what could happen when some operators would start boosting their signals to ridiculous levels, for instance.

This whole regulation thing has already been debated to death last year in another thread.
 
This whole regulation thing has already been debated to death last year in another thread.


and i stand by this statement

when the actions of a few to allow the situation where other users can disregard the regulations and put hundreds of lives at stake the actions of the few need to be curtained for the safety of all , hardly what i would call anything but logical , to just allow Carte blanche code monkeys to openly disregard these regulations and standards smells more like anarchy to me

it is a misguided and short side view point to approach this any other way and yes im old and argumentative but on this point i stand strong , stand by the regs and all is fine , abuse they and cause havoc
 
rather blind and short sighted view of this issue

when the actions of a few to allow the situation where other users can disregard the regulations and put hundreds of lives at stake the actions of the few need to be curtained for the safety of all , hardly what i would call anything but logical , to just allow Carte blanche code monkeys to openly disregard these regulations and standards smells more like anarchy to me

pete y testing, Not short sighted view at all. Rather the opposite. I am not for a world where we put our trust in a gov't that controls our every move, breath and thought. I am perfectly capable to think on my own thank you.

Furthermore, I am not advocating that anyone be allowed to disregard the regulations (stop putting words into peoples' mouth), rather, that anyone that is doing so be judged and then disciplined accordingly. The argument that those 'few' who don't follow the rules are the reason for the oppressive new rules is a fallacy in logic and one that is used over and over by those in power who are most likely to benefit from it too.

My stance, anarchy? No, that is what your post smells like to me. You may have 100% faith in a select few to control the millions and billions. I don't and never will (history proves me right every time).

There is no blatant disregard for regulations or standards where appropriate, in my stance on this matter. But there is a questioning of why this is suddenly needed, now.

As a simple example, after June 2016 when these new regulations come into effect (and from a few days ago for anyone that downloaded and installed the crippled firmware made available), where are all those hundreds of lives that were put at risk? (That the new regulations will prevent in the future)?

Yes, like you or anyone else, I haven't seen them either. That is one simple proof that these new regulations are arbitrary at best and sinister at worst (with the monetization angle leaning towards the latter).

Even if an example can be shown here to the contrary, what does most of the rest of the world have to do with what is happening in the USA?

As a thinking person who prefers to go through life without blinders on, I don't see how the points above can be ignored or spun to be positives for further regulation and control for the few in power at any given point in time.


There are speed limits on the road. Is that harming regular drivers?

Regulations are just as much about protecting yourself than anyone else. Ask HAM operators about what could happen when some operators would start boosting their signals to ridiculous levels, for instance.

This whole regulation thing has already been debated to death last year in another thread.


Last year, we didn't know the details of how things would be implemented and therefore, I held my comments. Now, we do.

Sane speed limits are not harming regular drivers, agreed.

But this is akin to showing that everyone travelling at a quarter to half of today's speed limits saves fuel (true), results in fewer fatal accidents (true) and results in much less cost to insurance companies for repairs and lawsuits for insurance claims (true).

What is ignored by the (true) facts above is that the same speeds for the past fifty or a hundred years didn't get more dangerous. A few (very bad) drivers did. Changing the speed limit for all won't solve the main problem of making the roads more safe. The same idiotic drivers that risk lives (theirs and others) will not change one iota.

What will change though? The ability of the gov't to force more bs down citizens throats for 'the good of all' because they are slowly being conditioned and controlled more and more.

This is exactly what is happening with WiFi regulations today, imo.

I find it not just hard, but impossible, to believe that what was working yesterday can't continue to work tomorrow. Is someone using equipment beyond legal use? Charge them that do so. But don't change the definition of what is legal in one part of the world and then impose those changes in draconian ways (the whole world over).
 
The FCC requirements apply to ALL manufacturers.

Eric, that is the problem, right there, the damn FCC are imposing their rules on the rest of the world where they have absolutely no jurisdiction whatever.

It's typical of the USA to think that they are the centre of the universe and can dictate what others will do/say/like/use .........

This sort of bullying attitude is one of the reasons the country is despised so deeply in many parts of the world.

If they have issues with WiFi in the USA that is their problem, it is not for them to dictate what will be compliant anywhere else in the world.
 
Not to stick up for the FCC but in all honesty it's the manufactures that have decided to let the FCC run the game. Asus or any other vendor could simply just have the routers comply in the USA and keep things the same everywhere else but they have chosen not to do this and apply one standard for all. How is the FCC to blame for that ?
 
Not to stick up for the FCC but in all honesty it's the manufactures that have decided to let the FCC run the game. Asus or any other vendor could simply just have the routers comply in the USA and keep things the same everywhere else but they have chosen not to do this and apply one standard for all. How is the FCC to blame for that ?

You have it backwards. The manufacturers told the FCC how things would go down.

Think of the increased costs and logistics of marketing, selling and distributing to many finely tuned markets.

The dollars drive the game. The manufacturers have the dollars. They control the game.
 
True they control the game not the FCC. Asus and others have decided it's cheaper and easier to just make one product for all and model said product under the rules set by the FCC. Again a choice made by the manufacture not ordered by the FCC for other countries.
 
You have it backwards. The manufacturers told the FCC how things would go down.

im going to suggest you go back and read up on what the whole open source argument is all about and why 3rd party exists and how the rules about transmission rates and channels apply , the $ drives the game but 3rd party play no part in that game in a marketing sense apart from the lame attempt from linksys to exploit that

i along with many others have no issues with the fcc rules effecting anywhere else in the world if its a safety issue and that is the main issue abuse and over driven power and i stand by any one who stops this , if it effects a few abusive 3rd party code monkeys along the way i have no issues with that
 
i along with many others have no issues with the fcc rules effecting anywhere else in the world if its a safety issue

Safety issues in the USA , not anywhere else, it is the USA and FCC that have issues with the use of WiFi bands affecting radar etc.

Other Countries and continents do NOT have these issues ........... so why do they get affected by the inadequacies of the USA?
 

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