NETGEAR Debuts An Expensive Gaming Router

[thiggins]

NETGEAR announced the Nighthawk Pro Gaming XR700 WiFi Router at IFA yesterday.

The XR700 takes a path similar to the NETGEAR's XR500, by reskinning an existing router and powering it with DumaOS. This time, it's the AD7200 class R9000 that gets gamified, bringing along a 60 GHz 802.11ad radio that will provide little value for most gamers.

Otherwise, the specs are the same as the R9000, which includes four-stream MU-MIMO enabled 802.11ac WiFi (maximum link rates of 1733 Mbps @ 5 GHz and 800 Mbps in 2.4 GHz), single-stream 60 GHz 802.11ad radio, Gigabit Ethernet WAN (1) and LAN (7) ports (two aggregateable), one 10 Gbps SFP+ port and two USB 3.0 ports for storage sharing. DFS is supported to provide additional 5 GHz channels to get away from pesky neighboring networks.

Software features include Plex media and OpenVPN servers and ReadySHARE storage support.

DumoOs's key features include a gaming dashboard, geo filter, QoS and network monitor.

NETGEAR has put a $499.99 MSRP on the X700 and plans to start shipping it in September. The R9000 currently sells for around $450, but does not include DumaOS.

There's already a discussion thread going here.

 

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NETGEAR announced the Nighthawk Pro Gaming XR700 WiFi Router at IFA yesterday.

The XR700 takes a path similar to the NETGEAR's XR500, by reskinning an existing router and powering it with DumaOS. This time, it's the AD7200 class R9000 that gets gamified, bringing along a 60 GHz 802.11ad radio that will provide little value for most gamers.

Otherwise, the specs are the same as the R9000, which includes four-stream MU-MIMO enabled 802.11ac WiFi (maximum link rates of 1733 Mbps @ 5 GHz and 800 Mbps in 2.4 GHz), single-stream 60 GHz 802.11ad radio, Gigabit Ethernet WAN (1) and LAN (7) ports (two aggregateable), one 10 Gbps SFP+ port and two USB 3.0 ports for storage sharing. DFS is supported to provide additional 5 GHz channels to get away from pesky neighboring networks.

Software features include Plex media and OpenVPN servers and ReadySHARE storage support.

DumoOs's key features include a gaming dashboard, geo filter, QoS and network monitor.

NETGEAR has put a $499.99 MSRP on the X700 and plans to start shipping it in September. The R9000 currently sells for around $450, but does not include DumaOS.

There's already a discussion thread going here.

XR500, was a flop and now they still wanna release yet another model of it.

Why not continue with a newly redesigned R series ??


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[sfx2000]

say "DumaOS" three times quickly. Look in the mirror before hitting the "buy" button...

 

[Killhippie]

XR500, was a flop and now they still wanna release yet another model of it.

Why not continue with a newly redesigned R series ??


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Who says XR500 was a flop, I have a few friends using one as I am and its a great router. I had the R7800 before which is a great router too. Unless you have insight into units sold then how can you say its a flop? It does what its meant to, and with new beta firmware the disconnects some were getting seem sorted. Growing pains in all new routers are going to happen. As to this router, total overkill in my view I have to say. But people will buy it because of big numbers on the box. DumaOS works well, its netgears firmware base that can be the issues as always though. Saying that its got a go faster red stripe

 

[Sachb]

Who says XR500 was a flop, I have a few friends using one as I am and its a great router. I had the R7800 before which is a great router too. Unless you have insight into units sold then how can you say its a flop? It does what its meant to, and with new beta firmware the disconnects some were getting seem sorted. Growing pains in all new routers are going to happen. As to this router, total overkill in my view I have to say. But people will buy it because of big numbers on the box. DumaOS works well, its netgears firmware base that can be the issues as always though. Saying that its got a go faster red stripe

No 1 buys a products which has very less reviews or a model which isn't even popular. Only few nerds would buy them. I hate the redish interface. It's too dark for my liking.
Linksys has a neat blue interface and even Asus has one good looking one.

Not to offend anyone.

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[Sachb]

They could've redesigbed the same R7xxx series and come up with a better firmware, it's already the best selling model. Maybe they are out of numbers.

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[Killhippie]

No 1 buys a products which has very less reviews or a model which isn't even popular. Only few nerds would buy them. I hate the redish interface. It's too dark for my liking.
Linksys has a neat blue interface and even Asus has one good looking one.

Not to offend anyone.

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The R1 was very popular and you dont like red, fine, I do maybe telling Netduma that would mean they could offer a way to switch colurs in the GUI. They are very open to new ideas. It has quite a few reviews, and was not reviewed here because of its similarity to the R7800 hardware wise. We all like different things and that's fine. Also the term "nerd" could apply to anyone that uses third party firmware, or the people that take time to make great builds for Netgear routers, so that term is a bit of a fish out of water in a forum dedicated to routers and their hardware and specs and perfomance and third party firmware as well....

 

[Killhippie]

They could've redesigbed the same R7xxx series and come up with a better firmware, it's already the best selling model. Maybe they are out of numbers.

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Netduma developed the firmware not netgear. Anyway have a great day I'm sure Netgear will find some numbers for new routers down the back of the sofa...

 

[Killhippie]

Prices are eye watering. The Nighthawk Pro Gaming XR700 WiFi Router from NETGEAR will be available worldwide next month through authorized NETGEAR partners and other reseller channels, e-commerce sites, and major retailers, at an MSRP of $499.99 (USD), £449 (GBP) and €499 (EUR), $849 (AUD).

 

[thiggins]

I'm not a fan of gaming routers, but then I'm not a gamer. But DumaOS appears to add value while previous attempts at lag reduction (WTF, Killer) have been not so much.

NETGEAR didn't get to have #1 in market share in consumer networking by putting out products that don't sell. I agree they are testing the market pain point with a $500 product. But gamers are known for spending lots of $ to gain any edge they can. Competitive gaming is also very hot now and NETGEAR is trying to ride that wave.

It may not be my or your taste, but it looks like a smart play to me.

 

[Threska49]

I'm not a fan of gaming routers, but then I'm not a gamer. But DumaOS appears to add value while previous attempts at lag reduction (WTF, Killer) have been not so much.

NETGEAR didn't get to have #1 in market share in consumer networking by putting out products that don't sell. I agree they are testing the market pain point with a $500 product. But gamers are known for spending lots of $ to gain any edge they can. Competitive gaming is also very hot now and NETGEAR is trying to ride that wave.

It may not be my or your taste, but it looks like a smart play to me.

$500 to get into the computer market, which these devices effectively are. And yes I believe as network speeds increase, and people are asking more of their connection, the hardware will need to keep up.

 

[pege63]

The XR700 platform was last seen in the Nighthawk X10 launched in 2016 Q4, NOW is just a new name and cower, some more ports and last a new GUI thats it.

 

[doubleroll]

Great marketing for sure...


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[Mordred]

Netduma developed the firmware not netgear. Anyway have a great day I'm sure Netgear will find some numbers for new routers down the back of the sofa...

This is bullsh*t, I looked at the GPL release, this is the same base firmware from qca only branding and a few extra modules e.g. for qos added. Regarding qos, a R7800 with kong mod, outperforms the XR500 with it's qos.

The R7800 is one of the best selling products, because you can flash several great opensource firmwares + it comes with some of the best hw right now.

 

[Killhippie]

This is bullsh*t, I looked at the GPL release, this is the same base firmware from qca only branding and a few extra modules e.g. for qos added. Regarding qos, a R7800 with kong mod, outperforms the XR500 with it's qos.

The R7800 is one of the best selling products, because you can flash several great opensource firmwares + it comes with some of the best hw right now.

DumaOS is Netdumas the rest is Netgear. DumaOS is more than branding but I still think the R9000 and XR700 are pointless for most people. But big numbers attract and if people put their hand in their wallet and buy a router at that ridiculous price then prices will continue to go up and I don’t think It’s a good road to go down. Saying that the CPU in the X10 and X700 is more powerful with four cores at 1.7Ghz vs 2 at 1.7Ghz and two at 800Mhz in the R7800 and XR500 https://www.qualcomm.com/products/ipq8065

 

[Killhippie]

$500 to get into the computer market, which these devices effectively are. And yes I believe as network speeds increase, and people are asking more of their connection, the hardware will need to keep up.

Considering very few in the UK have even 1 Gb the second speeds, the XR700 will be long gone when pure fibre comes my way. Also gaming bandwidth is low anyway so the xr700 marketing spiel about 10 times more speed for your gaming PC needs is just that.

 

[sfx2000]

I'm not a fan of gaming routers, but then I'm not a gamer. But DumaOS appears to add value while previous attempts at lag reduction (WTF, Killer) have been not so much.

Industrial Design - it appeals to a certain market segment that is very susceptible to marketing...

That's ok... the audience has money, and they're willing to spend it.

The netduma/DumaOS - it's a tweaked version of OpenWRT, and that's ok as well.

Netgear takes a good HW platform, gives them all they need, and NetDuma ports DumbASS^H^H^H^HaOS to it....

Would be nice if NetDuma gave back to the community...

(the Killer stuff on WRT32x is probably another thread perhaps - it's also OpenWRT based, and there hasn't been a lot of give and take back there)

 

[e38BimmerFN]

I know this is an older thread however wanted to update this regarding WAN speeds in recent FW versions.
So using the following simple test method and test program, I'm not seeing anything near 900mbps on the WAN to LAN test.
https://www.duckware.com/tech/router-wan-to-lan-throughput-test.html

Seems like the HW NAT acceleration or Cut-Through that should be working on this router, isn't. This test is using the WAN port. I don't have any support for the SPF+ port.

XR700: v10, Windows 10x64
BPS=381,173,408
0: 46,162,930 (369,303,440 bps)
1: 44,496,047 (355,968,376 bps)
2: 47,100,631 (376,805,048 bps)
3: 46,419,757 (371,358,056 bps)
4: 47,902,495 (383,219,960 bps)
5: 47,483,139 (379,865,112 bps)
6: 48,509,496 (388,075,968 bps)
7: 47,458,189 (379,665,512 bps)
8: 48,363,038 (386,904,304 bps)
9: 47,680,747 (381,445,976 bps)
10: 48,528,357 (388,226,856 bps)
11: 47,632,508 (381,060,064 bps)
12: 48,478,207 (387,825,656 bps)
13: 47,473,227 (379,785,816 bps)
14: 48,275,259 (386,202,072 bps)
15: 47,733,464 (381,867,712 bps)
16: 48,092,973 (384,743,784 bps)
17: 47,932,226 (383,457,808 bps)
18: 47,362,523 (378,900,184 bps)
19: 48,375,352 (387,002,816 bps)


XR700: v10, Windows 7
BPS=370,111,704
0: 44,791,390 (358,331,120 bps)
1: 44,476,968 (355,815,744 bps)
2: 44,770,552 (358,164,416 bps)
3: 46,073,590 (368,588,720 bps)
4: 45,812,470 (366,499,760 bps)
5: 45,489,110 (363,912,880 bps)
6: 46,676,541 (373,412,328 bps)
7: 46,873,684 (374,989,472 bps)
8: 45,990,023 (367,920,184 bps)
9: 47,038,243 (376,305,944 bps)
10: 46,390,556 (371,124,448 bps)
11: 46,761,893 (374,095,144 bps)
12: 46,330,190 (370,641,520 bps)
13: 46,808,975 (374,471,800 bps)
14: 46,297,395 (370,379,160 bps)
15: 46,644,519 (373,156,152 bps)
16: 46,267,153 (370,137,224 bps)
17: 46,920,449 (375,363,592 bps)
18: 46,876,910 (375,015,280 bps)
19: 46,515,924 (372,127,392 bps)

Loaded v14 beta, Windows 7, factory reset and setup from scratch, wifi disabled:
BPS=372,898,760
0: 46,459,875 (371,679,000 bps)
1: 46,512,486 (372,099,888 bps)
2: 47,031,920 (376,255,360 bps)
3: 46,212,546 (369,700,368 bps)
4: 46,866,362 (374,930,896 bps)
5: 46,458,028 (371,664,224 bps)
6: 46,832,136 (374,657,088 bps)
7: 46,135,983 (369,087,864 bps)
8: 46,692,523 (373,540,184 bps)
9: 46,193,505 (369,548,040 bps)
10: 47,229,294 (377,834,352 bps)
11: 46,099,476 (368,795,808 bps)
12: 47,013,490 (376,107,920 bps)
13: 46,064,165 (368,513,320 bps)
14: 47,087,509 (376,700,072 bps)
15: 46,921,037 (375,368,296 bps)
16: 45,983,186 (367,865,488 bps)
17: 46,753,098 (374,024,784 bps)
18: 46,342,874 (370,742,992 bps)
19: 47,203,540 (377,628,320 bps)

My XR450 seems to be working fine:
XR-450
BPS=949,067,544
0: 118,942,890 (951,543,120 bps)
1: 118,632,281 (949,058,248 bps)
2: 118,632,793 (949,062,344 bps)
3: 118,634,072 (949,072,576 bps)
4: 118,636,572 (949,092,576 bps)
5: 118,630,824 (949,046,592 bps)
6: 118,638,303 (949,106,424 bps)
7: 118,634,627 (949,077,016 bps)
8: 118,636,011 (949,088,088 bps)
9: 118,631,677 (949,053,416 bps)
10: 118,632,337 (949,058,696 bps)
11: 118,632,660 (949,061,280 bps)
12: 118,635,038 (949,080,304 bps)
13: 118,634,658 (949,077,264 bps)
14: 118,631,777 (949,054,216 bps)
15: 118,634,063 (949,072,504 bps)
16: 118,637,281 (949,098,248 bps)
17: 118,628,200 (949,025,600 bps)
18: 118,628,983 (949,031,864 bps)
19: 118,630,948 (949,047,584 bps)

Hoping NG can take a look at this and get this resolved. Users on 1Gb services will not be happy that there spendy little XR700 gaming router doesn't work correctly.

 

[XSXS]

Bimmer, What's the difference between the 450 and xr700? I'm surprised at your results
Have you tested the xr500?

 

[avtella]

Bimmer, What's the difference between the 450 and xr700? I'm surprised at your results
Have you tested the xr500?

XR500 and XR700 are analogues to the R7800 (XR450/XR500) and R9000 (XR700). All use the same Qualcomm QCA9984 WiFi chipset. I found the R7800 performs better than the R9000 in terms of the 5Ghz band at all ranges. The R9000 / XR700 however do have more powerful CPUs and an SFP port and link aggregation support.