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AX88U & AX92U AiMesh Daisy chain

Lorand

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Hi,

I am currently using an Asus RT-AX88U and 3 Lyra mini nodes.

One Lyra mini is connected to the AX88U via LAN and communicates with the other 2 Lyras wirelessly in a daisy chain topology.

I experimented with AiMesh in the past, but it did only connect in a star topology and has been unstable because of this.

The current performance is still pretty slow, so I'd like to replace my Lyras with 2 RT-AX92U routers that I would use as nodes.

My questions are:

1. Is it possible/suggested in an AiMesh setup to use the AX88U as the main router, connect one AX92U to the AX88U wirelessly, and the second AX92U to the first AX92U wirelessly as well?

2. Will the main router and the nodes communicate on wireless AX in a daisy chain topology?

3. Would this setup increase the overall performance of connected devices on all of the nodes?

4. Would the AX standard increase the signal strength between the nodes?

5. Any suggestions? Things I should consider?
 
1. Daisy-chain mesh should work in AiMesh, but the platform isn't as optimized at handling multi-point topologies as other purpose products.
2. They should still communicate in a daisy chain, yes.
3. The setup would likely be less than optimal for the 88U (at the very least), as it's only dual-band, so it would be using its only 5Ghz radio for backhaul.
4. AX alone will do nothing to increase signal strength.
5. Suggestions below:

Instead of plunking down $400 USD for a 2-pack of AX92U's, first I'd want to know if there is any possibility of wiring even just the base router and first remote unit to one-another, if not all units? If not with ethernet, than how about MoCa over coax? Either one would solve a ton of would-be issues right there, and ultimately allow for the operation of AiMesh with better results, even if only one hop was wired.

If that was a no-go and you simply must run wireless backhaul and multi-point, I would honestly consider a different product altogether, especially if you're ready to drop $400 (or more?) on the setup. If you're more of a novice, something like Netgear Orbi or Eero Pro. Orbi is tri-band for more potential client and backhaul bandwidth, but Eero Pro has had multi-point support baked in from the beginning (Orbi only added it recently so the code base is young and likely a bit buggy), and Eero has more well-developed packet flow management. Beyond that, if you're more skilled and don't mind dual-radio architecture, working-pull/overstock enterprise gear is the way to go; Aruba Instant or Ruckus Unleashed are tops in that area. Regardless of your preference, any of those choices will be a better pick for multi-point mesh.

Lastly, a passing comment on on 802.11ax. In short, I wouldn't. Instead, just run proven AC Wave 2 gear. AX isn't even ratified yet, nor are its truly differentiating features even enabled, let alone functional, on much of any real gear in the wild (stations or clients). That said, I do tend to value practicality and reliability over bleeding-edge features (or not-yet-realized features). But to each their own in that regard.
 
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1. Daisy-chain mesh should work in AiMesh, but the platform isn't as optimized at handling multi-point topologies as other purpose products.
2. They should still communicate in a daisy chain, yes.
3. The setup would likely be less than optimal for the 88U (at the very least), as it's only dual-band, so it would be using its only 5Ghz radio for backhaul.
4. AX alone will do nothing to increase signal strength.
5. Suggestions below:

Instead of plunking down $400 USD for a 2-pack of AX92U's, first I'd want to know if there is any possibility of wiring even just the base router and first remote unit to one-another, if not all units? If not with ethernet, than how about MoCa over coax? Either one would solve a ton of would-be issues right there, and ultimately allow for the operation of AiMesh with better results, even if only one hop was wired.

If that was a no-go and you simply must run wireless backhaul and multi-point, I would honestly consider a different product altogether, especially if you're ready to drop $400 (or more?) on the setup. If you're more of a novice, something like Netgear Orbi or Eero Pro. Orbi is tri-band for more potential client and backhaul bandwidth, but Eero Pro has had multi-point support baked in from the beginning (Orbi only added it recently so the code base is young and likely a bit buggy), and Eero has more well-developed packet flow management. Beyond that, if you're more skilled and don't mind dual-radio architecture, working-pull/overstock enterprise gear is the way to go; Aruba Instant or Ruckus Unleashed are tops in that area. Regardless of your preference, any of those choices will be a better pick for multi-point mesh.

Lastly, a passing comment on on 802.11ax. In short, I wouldn't. Instead, just run proven AC Wave 2 gear. AX isn't even ratified yet, nor are its truly differentiating features even enabled, let alone functional, on much of any real gear in the wild (stations or clients). That said, I do tend to value practicality and reliability over bleeding-edge features (or not-yet-realized features). But to each their own in that regard.

Thank you for the quick reply!

1. I am still learning about AX and its hard to find reliable guides and tests about the technology yet.

2. The reason I asked if it would work in a daisy chain is because I found a post that said, AiMesh supports up to 2 nodes in daisy chain, but it is not clear to me if it is 2 AiMesh nodes in total or the main router and 2 nodes. Asus doesn't really mentions that.

3. The 92U uses tri-band, however the AX standard is only supported on one.
I don't know if I'm right, but my theory is, it would use the AX band for the backhaul and the AC band to communicate with clients.
While the 88U should still have enough bandwidth to support AC clients as well.

4. So it seems Asus uses some misleading marketing BS here, claiming that AX has "better coverage" compared to AC https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/RT-AX88U/
Anyway the 92U should have a better range than the Lyra mini. Right?

5. Wiring is not possible. The walls are thick and isolated, absorbing most of the signal. I already experimented with different options, like powerline, and the AX seems basically my last hope to make a reliable coverage.
The 92U would cost $370, and I would sell my Lyra mini for about $180.
The reason I started building my network with Asus networking devices is because it has nice features and hardware accessible on a relatively low price. Fairly good IDS/IPS (that would cost me a lot to buy separately), initially I used its external drive features before I had the money to buy a NAS, free DDNS, etc.
I know Asus is not the most reliable on the market, but gives okay overall features/performance at a good price.
Now it would cost too much to replace the whole system with another brand. Hopefully the software will improve with time.
 
So it seems Asus uses some misleading marketing BS here, claiming that AX has "better coverage" compared to AC

They are referring to OFDMA encoding, which isn't enabled yet in their firmware. In theory, OFDMA might be able to get slightly better range in certain environments, as they use smaller sub-channels. So, if there's interference only within some of these sub-channels, it might be more resilient than having a larger QAM channel. Note that whether the throughput will still be usable at that extended range remains to be seen, nobody has really tested that yet.

OFDMA technologies definitely helps DOCSIS 3.1. Still uncertain whether those advantages will also benefit Wifi as much.
 

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