Custom firmware build for Orbi RBK50/RBK53 (RBR50, RBS50) v. 9.2.5.1.33SF-HW & v. 9.2.5.1.34SF-HW

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digital10

Regular Contributor
Will wait for someone to measure this experiment for us, how significantly better performance you get out of the Orbi in AP mode vs Router.

meanwhile, whats a good router to use with Orbi?
 

superczar

Occasional Visitor
Will wait for someone to measure this experiment for us, how significantly better performance you get out of the Orbi in AP mode vs Router.

meanwhile, whats a good router to use with Orbi?
I personally use the Ubqiuiti ER-X - as I needed something that supports gbe and dual WAN.
While it was a little tricky to setup initially, it has been extremely reliable since.
 

digital10

Regular Contributor
so I got an r7000 that I can use as router and make the Orbi in AP mode, but how can I measure the performance of Orbi as router+Wireless Wifi vs AP mode only?

I personally use the Ubqiuiti ER-X - as I needed something that supports gbe and dual WAN.
While it was a little tricky to setup initially, it has been extremely reliable since.
does it have web interface?
can you setup stuff like specifying outgoing DNS and give dedicated IP address to wach device? does it have PoE?
 

Voxel

Very Senior Member
how significantly better performance you get out of the Orbi in AP mode vs Router.
Look. AP mode vs router mode, right, the device is loaded less a bit in AP mode. But if you disable these strange for me NG's stuffs (well, how to name them...) "cookies" such as Armor, Cloud, Circle etc. your ORBI in router mode will be freed to act exactly as a router. Its primary goal. That's all. You will get the same performance in the router mode vs AP mode. Just do not waste your money buying other gadgets. I think so. IMO.

P.S.
The only disadvantage of ORBI now (again IMO) is impossibility to split 2.5GHz and 5GHz SSIDs keeping stability of connection.

Voxel.
 

superczar

Occasional Visitor
so I got an r7000 that I can use as router and make the Orbi in AP mode, but how can I measure the performance of Orbi as router+Wireless Wifi vs AP mode only?


does it have web interface?
can you setup stuff like specifying outgoing DNS and give dedicated IP address to wach device? does it have PoE?
It does have a web interface that is sufficient for most config tasks.
If yours is a especially complicated setup then some finagling on the CLI may be needed but not otherwise.

Outgoing DNS and fixed IP addresses - yes
PoE - my model doesn’t but i think there is a PoE variant as well
 

superczar

Occasional Visitor
Look. AP mode vs router mode, right, the device is loaded less a bit in AP mode. But if you disable these strange for me NG's stuffs (well, how to name them...) "cookies" such as Armor, Cloud, Circle etc. your ORBI in router mode will be freed to act exactly as a router. Its primary goal. That's all. You will get the same performance in the router mode vs AP mode. Just do not waste your money buying other gadgets. I think so. IMO.

P.S.
The only disadvantage of ORBI now (again IMO) is impossibility to split 2.5GHz and 5GHz SSIDs keeping stability of connection.

Voxel.
I switched Orbi to Router mode out of curiosity
Internet performance on devices seemed to about the same but after 24 hours, I flipped it back to AP
It seemed to be causing some random issues - mostly LAN-LAN communication related

e.g. devices that I had disabled from Internet access (IP cameras ) were not showing up on LAN NVR either
Harmony hub devices were also acting flakey and were taking longer to respond

I do acknowledge this is circumstantial/ anecdotal evidence but things are back to normal since I flipped back to AP mode so that is how I will leave it
 

superczar

Occasional Visitor
So the LAN-LAN comm issue seems to have started in AP mode also after a power cycle today

Let me explain a bit

192.168.5.1 - Router (ER-X)
192.168.5.5 - RBS20
192.168.5.6 - RBS50 (Voxel)
192.168.5.7 - RBR50 (Voxel)

Both satellites are on wireless backhaul, no daisy chain

Now let's say I have a wired device at 192.168.5.64 (let's call it D1)
Ping from router , RBS20 and RBR50 to D1 work just fine
However ping from RBS50 to D1 won't work. Any devices connected to RBS50 cannot see D1 either
The RBS50 (as well as devices connected to it) can however access the internet just fine .

The ARP entries on all devices seem fine with no corrupt entries either.
It's almost as if devices on RBS50 are on a different subnet altogether (which they of course aren't)

The issue is not specific to voxel. In fact this randomly occuring issue was my primary reason to move to voxel in the first place.
Any suggestions on troubleshooting would be welcome
 

Skippy Bosco

Regular Contributor
It is probably not a good idea to have a mix of Voxel and non Voxel in your environment. I'd encourage you to run as close to the same level of firmware across your router and satellite as possible.

To confirm, your ER-X is plugged into the WAN port of the Orbi router?
 

superczar

Occasional Visitor
It is probably not a good idea to have a mix of Voxel and non Voxel in your environment. I'd encourage you to run as close to the same level of firmware across your router and satellite as possible.

To confirm, your ER-X is plugged into the WAN port of the Orbi router?
Yes, it is plugged to the WAN port.

To re-clarify, The problem is not voxel. It's just that I had hoped that Voxel would fix it.
It's also something other users with 2sat+1 router setup have reported (added some links to bottom)

The issue originally started over a year ago when I added a 2nd satellite (i.e. not factory paired) .
Things work fine for many days till they suddenly go wonky, typically after a power outage and a reboot.

Switching off the 2nd Sat fixes it immediately.
My best guess at the moment is that something goes off in the backhaul routing tables during the satellite sync.

When this issue occurs, All devices can find an upstream route to the Internet just fine.
However wired devices or devices connecting to RBR50 cannot see devices connected to RBS50 while devices connected to RBS50 can see some devices on wired network or RBS50 but not all.

Eventually what works is resetting the 2nd sat and re-syncing it to the RBR.
I do have the option of running a wire to the 2nd Sat - if this occurs again, I will give that a try

Other user reports:



 

mith_y2k

Regular Contributor
For what it’s worth any time I’ve had an unexpected reboot such as after power outage I always needed to turn everything off, then router on, then one sat, then the other. This takes a little extra time for all clients to adjust and hop on the closest sat, but resolved lag and poor connection. I never had routing issues as described above, though
 

cdysthe

Regular Contributor
I have an RBR50 and one satellite RBS50. If I install Voxel's FW on the router, how do I handle the satellite? I have used Voxel's FW in the bast but only of single router networks.
 

CrimpOn

Occasional Visitor
Voxel provides firmware for both router and satellite. Perform a manual install using the appropriate firmware for each.
 

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