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First Peek At Wi-Fi 6: ASUS RT-AX88U & NETGEAR RAX80

Discussion in 'Wireless Article Discussions' started by thiggins, Dec 10, 2018.

  1. sfx2000

    sfx2000 Part of the Furniture

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    I have no problem with scaling....

    Code:
    $ sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq_levels 
    dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 2100/8 1800/0 1600/0 1400/0
    
    I suspect that Broadcom has tuned the SDK appropriately
     
  2. RMerlin

    RMerlin Super Moderator

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    When it comes to Broadcom, I've learned long ago to never take anything for granted. They've made more than a few brain-damaged decisions over the years for their router platform.
     
  3. wye

    wye New Around Here

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    Tim, I'm very happy you've upgraded your test methods. Thank you for that. I'm very grateful for your efforts.

    Maybe there is something to improve about the attitude as well. Its very easy to complain but when you do it you make people look down upon you - you are begging for their help. Maintain a balance, don't go into extremes.
    You've been "not-recommending" AC routers for the last decade. Do you finally recommend them, since you have a new "enemy"? brutal /sarcasm

    Many of us are old aged around here, I hope we can use our experience as drivers of innovation and change instead of complaining about the problems of new technology. How would you do it better, Tim?

    Again, thanks for your efforts.
     
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  4. RMerlin

    RMerlin Super Moderator

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    That is not what I have seen. I recall Tim recommended against AC routers back when there were no clients available yet to connect to them. He's been recommending AC routers for many years now. A few years ago he even wrote an article on how he observed than a 802.11ac router connecting to 802.11N clients showed some slight performance improvements.

    Today, 802.11AX is in the same situation. You can't recommend people to buy a router a) based on a draft technology, b) with no client available to connect to it using that new technology, and c) sold at a high premium.
     
  5. sfx2000

    sfx2000 Part of the Furniture

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    I agree - I've been part of the community here since the 802.11 a/b/g days - and having gone thru the "draft" 802.11n, and subsequent generations of WiFi - it's ok to wait...

    Getting an 11ax capable Router/AP now - keep in mind that all your clients are going to be "legacy" - some more than others...

    In 2019 - we see some 11ax capable clients out there, mostly as part of the smartphone vendor's chipsets, and they'll work fine with 11n/11ac AP's - and that won't be until likely 2nd quarter 2019...

    I'll wait a bit... when we get an iPhone that has 11ax - then I might upgrade my AP's...
     
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  6. wye

    wye New Around Here

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    You can't reasonably expect all new routers to upgrade to a new technology precisely at the same time as all clients.
    Its not perfect, but there are a few ways to deal with this: one way would be to complain about the problems.
    Another way is to be able to see the bright side: someone has to make the first step, and I applaud those that have the courage to do it(manufacturers and customers). Because they are the one that move this world forward, not the ney-sayers.
     
  7. avtella

    avtella Very Senior Member

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    Well with bleeding edge WiFi products, in most cases you are buying a beta product which may have major firmware issues, because products were rushed and to top it off no clients of the new standard. Mind you these are draft units missing features like uplink MU-MIMO and whatever may be added to the final spec. In the one year or so when the first ax clients start to actually show up final draft routers will start showing up, till then you are basically paying extra for an “ac” spec router.

    So paying something like double to effectively be a beta tester is not what most people want. Most of these routers take a few months sometimes a year or so to get firmware issues ironed out and on occasion hardware. When people look at reviews and recommendations they expect something that simply works as advertised.

    I feel @thiggins is generally on the practical side of things when it comes to recommendations.
     
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  8. Leo Fender

    Leo Fender New Around Here

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    Does 80+80 have provision for full-duplex between APs? EG: Split each channel into only a receive or transmit function.

    I'm thinking something like Ubiquiti do with airFiber, but much shorter distances using "consumer priced" equipment :D
     
  9. gpz1100

    gpz1100 Regular Contributor

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    I'd love to see ddwrt or xwrt for the rax80. Stock firmware is ... eh. Lacking many features and very plain.
     
  10. RMerlin

    RMerlin Super Moderator

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    Get the Asus then, and you'll get the full, legal, Asuswrt experience.

    Sent from my P027 using Tapatalk
     
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  11. thiggins

    thiggins Mr. Easy Staff Member

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    No.
     
  12. Leo Fender

    Leo Fender New Around Here

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    Interesting.

    Seems like it could be done in software... with sufficient knowledge and effort to wrangle the hardware into a state that allows such hackery.

    I may have to rig up some Linux boxes with 2 APs at each end to see how it flows.
     
  13. kamoj

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    The R7800 has quite good storage performance. At least with Voxels FW:
    https://www.snbforums.com/threads/r7800-write-speed-usb.33495/#post-444030

     
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  14. Sayanux

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    New look for Genie GUI :cool:
     
  15. 128bit

    128bit Occasional Visitor

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    interesting to read discussion on marvel. i have or had the wrt 1900 and 3200. both flashed with dd-wrt. what a disaster when using dd-wrt! linksys never had an os driver that could take advantage of the 3200 mimo capability. it was draining to always look for that next kong/brainslayer build and hope for the best. worse, the interface be it stock or dd-wrt pales when compared to merlin.

    this 86u is faster using the stock merlin builds. it's a dream! that said, once spectrum/tw kicked it up to 200 mbps, - i mean WOW! i was fine streaming 4k on 3 tvs concurrently at 50! perhaps u guys have commercial needs which i don't but this 86u box slays the 3200 even with nas - again, home use. moreover, the response from the gurus on this board is 2nd to none!

    happy new year folks
     
  16. sfx2000

    sfx2000 Part of the Furniture

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    @thiggins...

    While the testing was done with HE disabled, did you get a chance to informally check if their were any association issues with 11ac clients when HE is enabled?

    I recall that there were interop issues back in the draft 11n and early 11ac days...
     
  17. RMerlin

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    Intel-based clients using driver older than certain revisions are known to have compatibility issues with HE. The 7260 for instance requires driver 18.33.13.4 or newer. Wifi-6 router owners must ensure they have the latest Intel driver available installed.

    That's the only case for which I have actual info, dunno about Atheros/Qualcomm/Azurewave/etc...
     
  18. Sayanux

    Sayanux New Around Here

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    both router without WPA3 :(
     
  19. thiggins

    thiggins Mr. Easy Staff Member

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    For now. Do you have any devices that support it?
     
  20. thiggins

    thiggins Mr. Easy Staff Member

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    The only client I tested in this round was the octoScope Pal, which uses the QCA9984. It had no association problems. I have yet to try the Intel AC9260.