MOCA gigabit?

[sm00thpapa]

When is MOCA going with gigabit speeds? I use MOCA upstairs and have 150Mbps download speed from my ISP. The most I get from the MOCA adapters is 96Mbps.

 

[thiggins]

When is MOCA going with gigabit speeds? I use MOCA upstairs and have 150Mbps download speed from my ISP. The most I get from the MOCA adapters is 96Mbps.

I have seen no MoCA 2.0 retail adapters and its unlikely there will be any. MoCA seems to be deployed by service providers.

 

[stevech]

When is MOCA going with gigabit speeds? I use MOCA upstairs and have 150Mbps download speed from my ISP. The most I get from the MOCA adapters is 96Mbps.

Not likely. Not needed is the main issue. Technology is the second issue.

96Mbps - what Internet Host will give you that speed?

 

[Starrbuck]

Verizon sells one for use with FiOS. I'm not sure if it's compatible with any other MoCA.

https://teleproducts.verizon.com/fileshare/plm/brochure/ATWECB3000N_brochure.pdf

 

[azazel1024]

It won't do much. It is still MoCA 1.1, which means a maximum link rate of 170Mbps. If you are lucky and your coax is in great condition, that does potentially mean a speed up of about 70% over a MoCA bridge with fast ethernet ports, but I'd imagine you'd likely to be lucky to get 140-150Mbps between a pair of them (as MoCA has more overhead than ethernet IIRC).

 

[abailey]

I think MOCA is dead. I don't think we will see any MOCA 2.0 stuff come out. I think G.hn (with the merge of the HomePNA stuff) is where things are headed. The G.hn standard can be used over many mediums (twisted pair, fiber, coax, powerline). Anyway I think we will start to see some service providers using it late this year or early next year, but probably a couple years away for consumers. I would also love gigabit coax. Something like this would be great: http://www.sendtek.com/prod-ces83x.php

 

[sm00thpapa]

Verizon sells one for use with FiOS. I'm not sure if it's compatible with any other MoCA.

https://teleproducts.verizon.com/fileshare/plm/brochure/ATWECB3000N_brochure.pdf

Only the Ethernet ports are gigabit.

 

[sm00thpapa]

MOCA Alliance has talked about MOCA 2.0 Gigabit since 2013 CES. Even in this years CES 2015 they talked about their MOCA 2.0 products and still nothing on the street yet.

 

[abailey]

I was interested when I saw the latest HPNA3.1 stuff that had link rates at 320Mb/s but alas I have not found any that have anything above fast Ethernet ports.
Example: http://www.zyxel.com/products_services/hla3105.shtml?t=p

 

[sm00thpapa]

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[Cloud200]

For fun I tried a pair of FIOS Quantum gateways (one from work and one from home.)
As long as I never plug them in to check in, verizon won't charge me for them. Using an actiontec moca 1.1 bridge and ethernet handoff from the ONT.
Anyway, back to the gateways;
Setting them up I was able to get about 200 mb/s but ping times were iffy.
This was with the first gateway plugged into a 3ft RG11 quad going to a splitter to a 50ft RG11 quad into a second splitter and then another 3ft into the second gateway.
No other traffic on the "network".

 

[thiggins]

I think MOCA is dead. I don't think we will see any MOCA 2.0 stuff come out. I think G.hn (with the merge of the HomePNA stuff) is where things are headed. The G.hn standard can be used over many mediums (twisted pair, fiber, coax, powerline). Anyway I think we will start to see some service providers using it late this year or early next year, but probably a couple years away for consumers. I would also love gigabit coax. Something like this would be great: http://www.sendtek.com/prod-ces83x.php

MoCA is alive and well, but not a consumer product. It will continue to be used in MDU, hospitality and service provider networks.

I don't know about G.hn. I visited their stand at CES 2015 and got the pitch. But since learned that only one major service provider (in Korea I think) will be deploying it.

I've been approached to review a set of G.hn adapters. But given the above and learning G.hn and powerline aren't interoperable, I'm holding off. I hope the two can at least peacefully coexist. But since they both use OFDM and similar spectrum, there are bound to effect each other.

You want Gigabit bandwidth? Run CAT6.

 

[thoma]

I don't know about G.hn. I visited their stand at CES 2015 and got the pitch. But since learned that only one major service provider (in Korea I think) will be deploying it.

Interestingly, Anandtech sent someone to CES 2014 and decided it was "the end of the road for G.hn," because they haven't been able to get any customers:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7704/powerline-networking-end-of-the-road-for-ghn

One year later, Tim goes to CES 2015 and finds that G.hn has picked up only one major customer.

Basically, G.hn tried to enter two markets and ended up losing in both markets. The cable companies have mostly adopted MoCA, while consumers have mostly picked HomePlug. The more time passes, the greater the installed base. Interoperability starts to be a concern, which makes it even harder for G.hn to break into the market.

 

[thoma]

I think G.hn (with the merge of the HomePNA stuff) is where things are headed. The G.hn standard can be used over many mediums (twisted pair, fiber, coax, powerline). Anyway I think we will start to see some service providers using it late this year or early next year, but probably a couple years away for consumers. I would also love gigabit coax. Something like this would be great: http://www.sendtek.com/prod-ces83x.php

There are products right now for running HomePlug over twisted pair, coax, or powerline. However, HomePlug hasn't yet succeeded in breaking out of its fortress market of powerlines. Why would G.hn be able to succeed where HomePlug has failed? They're starting out from even farther behind than HomePlug.

It's an uphill battle for G.hn. All of these markets are already dominated by competitors.

• Phoneline networking within the home is dead. (MDU usage is dominated by VDSL2.)
• Fiber doesn't need another protocol running on top. Just use an Ethernet-to-fiber media converter.
• Coax networking is dominated by MoCA.
• Powerline networking is dominated by HomePlug.

As for Sendtek, good luck finding a way to buy anything they make. They used to make HomePNA bridges, too, for both coax and phone. They seem pretty quick to adopt new technologies, but lack the distribution and marketing power to make them successful.

I was interested when I saw the latest HPNA3.1 stuff that had link rates at 320Mb/s but alas I have not found any that have anything above fast Ethernet ports.
Example: http://www.zyxel.com/products_services/hla3105.shtml?t=p

If that's the latest HomePNA 3.1 stuff, then HomePNA is dead. That Zyxel product is three years old and getting hard to find in online stores.

Let's face it, there is only a small market for gigabit networking, and an even smaller market for gigabit networking that does not run over Cat6. Maybe one day, when the average household routinely needs more than 100 Mbps in bandwidth. But that's still a few years away.

 

[kidsafe]

I'm seeing a recent certification (April 28, 2015) for a standalone Ethernet-coax bridge made by Actiontec.

Here's the PDF for the cheesy looking certificate: http://www.mocalliance.org/products/certificates/MIC0190-Actiontec.pdf

Anyway, Actiontec's first-gen MoCA products were among the most widely available, so maybe the ECB6000 may actually make it to retail.

 

[Cloud200]

If you want, there is a list of every single MOCA 2.0 product
http://www.mocalliance.org/products/index.htm

Not good for much right now except hunting on ebay.

 

[azazel1024]

Hmmm, it could be. Actiontec's ECB2500 is one of the few widely available (even new) MoCA bridges. So if the ECB6000 is a MoCA 2.0 product, odds are pretty good it'll be fairly widely available (doesn't mean you'll like the price though).

 

[stevech]

I have D-Link MoCA. Perhaps not in the list as it's too old, discontinued. Still works fine.

 

[talllogic]

To those who are interested, it appears Actiontec is now selling MoCA 2.0 ethernet bridges for $89.99 each plus a fairly substantial shipping cost. They promise speeds of up to 670mbps. Given the 2.0 standard, I assume that speed is only obtainable when it is a direct connection without other branches. The link: http://www.actiontec.com/338.html
I ordered a pair today - we'll see how long it takes to show up and how the preform when then get here.

 

[azazel1024]

The brief bits I've seen here, it looks like ~450Mbps is best possible with a direct connect over probably short coax, gotta figure error correction overhead, etc. in to everything. At least one user seems to be getting high 300Mbps range with a direct connection over I assume at least a few dozen feet of coax.

I'd imagine with a good coax network, you'd manage at least high 100Mbps range (IE close to 200Mbps). A lot better than MoCA 1/1.1. On a small coax network it might push 300Mbps.