RB450G - 680Mhz, 256MB RAM, 512MB Nano, MsD

[tipstir]

Tim,

Have you tested out this mini Router? I know it doesn't do wireless so I've posted this here.

Link
RB450G
www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb450g.pdf

 

[onnoossendrijver]

Some time ago I tested an RB450G.. all I can remember was that it did about 400 mbit/s with NAT. If you really want I can probably test it again and also do a max. session test using much newer firmware on the RB450G.

 

[tipstir]

Some time ago I tested an RB450G.. all I can remember was that it did about 400 mbit/s with NAT. If you really want I can probably test it again and also do a max. session test using much newer firmware on de RB450G.

400mbps out of the NAT not bad. This router was mention over weekend from another user on another forum. Spec on this tiny wired router look good on paper just courteous has anyone tested it out?

 

[YeOldeStonecat]

Two colleagues of mine (different SMB consultants in different states) use the routerboards at many of their small biz clients, they like them a lot.

 

[tipstir]

Two colleagues of mine (different SMB consultants in different states) use the routerboards at many of their small biz clients, they like them a lot.

Doesn't this have a Console Cable Interface like Cisco Router/Switches? Can you ask your two colleagues how long have they had it up and running on their clients sites? Can the R450G go more than 2 years of heavy duty router of packets. If this can I can save a lot of money wasted on these plastic routers. What are they using for Access Point/Bridges? I am looking at RadioLabs 600mW to 1000mW hardware

By-the-way you're using this router or not? Thanks

 

[YeOldeStonecat]

Doesn't this have a Console Cable Interface like Cisco Router/Switches? Can you ask your two colleagues how long have they had it up and running on their clients sites? Can the R450G go more than 2 years of heavy duty router of packets. If this can I can save a lot of money wasted on these plastic routers. What are they using for Access Point/Bridges? I am looking at RadioLabs 600mW to 1000mW hardware

By-the-way you're using this router or not? Thanks

I haven't used one, I run PFSense at home, I usually use either Untangle (a full UTM appliance) at clients, or..Linksys/Cisco RV0 series business routers.

It's serial cable so you manage it through console. I'm not sure if it also has a web admin or not. I'm sure it can do more than 2 years...but to be honest, I get more than enough years out of cheaper home grade models too. What I've noticed..is that the cheaper home models seem susceptible to power issues, if the AC power isn't clean, they'll tend to lock up more, die more, etc. So as one of my methods of best practice, I always plug broadband equipment, and network equipment for that matter, into battery backup units. Just a cheap little APC E350 does the job well.

 

[tipstir]

I haven't used one, I run PFSense at home, I usually use either Untangle (a full UTM appliance) at clients, or..Linksys/Cisco RV0 series business routers.

It's serial cable so you manage it through console. I'm not sure if it also has a web admin or not. I'm sure it can do more than 2 years...but to be honest, I get more than enough years out of cheaper home grade models too. What I've noticed..is that the cheaper home models seem susceptible to power issues, if the AC power isn't clean, they'll tend to lock up more, die more, etc. So as one of my methods of best practice, I always plug broadband equipment, and network equipment for that matter, into battery backup units. Just a cheap little APC E350 does the job well.

Those UPS devices tend to fail if the battery goes. Battery replacement and how they effect the environment is another reason I don't invest in such equipment. I use tell client for home usage just by a Belkin N+ router. They're up and running without using the CD. Same Belkin never released Double N+. Anyway routers can last more than 2 years but again you go to think about high temp, EMI/EMF static all sorts of issue even flooding if you leave in those time of areas.

Technology changes. I see you said you use PSENSE Live CD or SD. Those type of hardware router firewall NAT in a way can be good. But technically speaking these cheap routers are pretty much a small computer with ROM/RAM buffering with now internal drive.

 

[YeOldeStonecat]

Those UPS devices tend to fail if the battery goes. Battery replacement and how they effect the environment is another reason I don't invest in such equipment. I use tell client for home usage just by a Belkin N+ router. They're up and running without using the CD. Same Belkin never released Double N+. Anyway routers can last more than 2 years but again you go to think about high temp, EMI/EMF static all sorts of issue even flooding if you leave in those time of areas.

Technology changes. I see you said you use PSENSE Live CD or SD. Those type of hardware router firewall NAT in a way can be good. But technically speaking these cheap routers are pretty much a small computer with ROM/RAM buffering with now internal drive.

I stick with APC brand, while yes they can fail if the battery goes, logically you'd pay attention to that, and unless you have very poor electrical quality, you should get a few years even out of the cheap models. A little APC ES350 costs about 45 bucks. There are other brands out there, cheaper. If it ensures that your network equipment lasts, more problem free, for 2-3 years...IMO it's worth it. When you order from them they include a pre-paid return box to ship back your old battery, to properly recycle/dispose of it. I follow that best practice...and I simply don't encounter the problems of having routers die after a year or two or three. ....I have home grade routers out there at least 5 years old..more...and running smooth as butter.

Most home grade routers are up and running without using the included software bloat CD. Yeah a lot of them come with a sticker covering the ports..saying to run the CD first, but I never do. I want to say "all" don't requite it, I haven't run across one yet that does....and I do install an awful lot of different brands/models.

PFSense is definitely good..it will kick the living snot out of any home grade/SOHO grade/and many smaller enterprise grade routers..performance and stability wise. Yes home grade routers are sort of a little *nix PC under the hood, but I'll put my PFSense box with it's 1.2Pentium M and 512 megs and Intel NICs up against a humble little 200Mhz Stinksys box w/meager 32 megs any day of the week. I run it on a small 12" IBM Thinkpad laptop, so it's still quite a small footprint, not much electrical consumption, pretty much no noise, hardly any heat output, built in keyboard 'n mouse..and...built in battery backup!

 

[tipstir]

I stick with APC brand, while yes they can fail if the battery goes, logically you'd pay attention to that, and unless you have very poor electrical quality, you should get a few years even out of the cheap models. A little APC ES350 costs about 45 bucks. There are other brands out there, cheaper. If it ensures that your network equipment lasts, more problem free, for 2-3 years...IMO it's worth it. When you order from them they include a pre-paid return box to ship back your old battery, to properly recycle/dispose of it. I follow that best practice...and I simply don't encounter the problems of having routers die after a year or two or three. ....I have home grade routers out there at least 5 years old..more...and running smooth as butter.

Most home grade routers are up and running without using the included software bloat CD. Yeah a lot of them come with a sticker covering the ports..saying to run the CD first, but I never do. I want to say "all" don't requite it, I haven't run across one yet that does....and I do install an awful lot of different brands/models.

PFSense is definitely good..it will kick the living snot out of any home grade/SOHO grade/and many smaller enterprise grade routers..performance and stability wise. Yes home grade routers are sort of a little *nix PC under the hood, but I'll put my PFSense box with it's 1.2Pentium M and 512 megs and Intel NICs up against a humble little 200Mhz Stinksys box w/meager 32 megs any day of the week. I run it on a small 12" IBM Thinkpad laptop, so it's still quite a small footprint, not much electrical consumption, pretty much no noise, hardly any heat output, built in keyboard 'n mouse..and...built in battery backup!

Wow! Sounds like you like to experiment like I do. I had 900Mhz 512MB running IPCOP with Snort on it Ran like a dream. Until that ASUS MOBO failed. Oh well. The last one I did use was Clark Connect. It has Samba feature so I could run NAS internally. It was simple to run no real issue. Finnally moving up to Windows Server 2003 Standard with NAT, DHCP Server, DNS, Active Directory and create Virtual Domain. Using that as the main router was quick and you could monitor every thing that was connected. Change LAN and WAN port speeds to the Full Duplex.

I could still do that with AMD 1.6GHz 64-bit Windows Server 2008 R2 SP2. Gig WAN, Gig LAN, 802.11n Wireless Adapter. But the only issue is to keep that running 24/7.

APC is a good brand, but again battery isn't going to last for ever. I hated changing and installing those on the factory floor. Also replacing the battery on in some test system rigs was a real pain in the neck back in the day.

So you found it where for $45 bucks? I would use that on the main network gear. Quad-core towers if power fails they reboot back into Windows 7 U-64bit. Do that through the Bios. Laptops and netbooks just beep and use there internal batteries.

 

[YeOldeStonecat]

Right now 49 bucks on Newegg...catch them on sale, can find them for 43 at the Egg.

Or..if on more of a budget, hit up APCs factor outlet store, stock always rotates there, can get some great deals.

I would bump to a 750 or higher for a quad core tower...not a 350 or maybe just a 550. You will burn them out too quickly by overloading them. A 350 is meant for a low power device..small form factor desktop or less.

Yes I love to fiddle with routers also, I usually cycle through most of the *nix distro routers as time goes on, as well as several draws full of various off the shelf routers accumulated through work, warranty returns of clients, demo units, etc. It's lots of fun. Also used to run various Windows servers for the NAT/router too...Small Biz Server, ISA, etc...but..just too much noise/heat/size/cost. I'm more minimalist now. Even running a ton in ESXi at home..blah...gimme something smaller.

Currently building another Untangle UTM appliance for a client right now.

 

[tipstir]

Right now 49 bucks on Newegg...catch them on sale, can find them for 43 at the Egg.

Or..if on more of a budget, hit up APCs factor outlet store, stock always rotates there, can get some great deals.

I would bump to a 750 or higher for a quad core tower...not a 350 or maybe just a 550. You will burn them out too quickly by overloading them. A 350 is meant for a low power device..small form factor desktop or less.

Yes I love to fiddle with routers also, I usually cycle through most of the *nix distro routers as time goes on, as well as several draws full of various off the shelf routers accumulated through work, warranty returns of clients, demo units, etc. It's lots of fun. Also used to run various Windows servers for the NAT/router too...Small Biz Server, ISA, etc...but..just too much noise/heat/size/cost. I'm more minimalist now. Even running a ton in ESXi at home..blah...gimme something smaller.

Currently building another Untangle UTM appliance for a client right now.

Good you have something you do, and enjoy doing it! Routers come and go just as switches.

 

[tipstir]

I stick with APC brand, while yes they can fail if the battery goes, logically you'd pay attention to that, and unless you have very poor electrical quality, you should get a few years even out of the cheap models. A little APC ES350 costs about 45 bucks. There are other brands out there, cheaper. If it ensures that your network equipment lasts, more problem free, for 2-3 years...IMO it's worth it. When you order from them they include a pre-paid return box to ship back your old battery, to properly recycle/dispose of it. I follow that best practice...and I simply don't encounter the problems of having routers die after a year or two or three. ....I have home grade routers out there at least 5 years old..more...and running smooth as butter.

Most home grade routers are up and running without using the included software bloat CD. Yeah a lot of them come with a sticker covering the ports..saying to run the CD first, but I never do. I want to say "all" don't requite it, I haven't run across one yet that does....and I do install an awful lot of different brands/models.

PFSense is definitely good..it will kick the living snot out of any home grade/SOHO grade/and many smaller enterprise grade routers..performance and stability wise. Yes home grade routers are sort of a little *nix PC under the hood, but I'll put my PFSense box with it's 1.2Pentium M and 512 megs and Intel NICs up against a humble little 200Mhz Stinksys box w/meager 32 megs any day of the week. I run it on a small 12" IBM Thinkpad laptop, so it's still quite a small footprint, not much electrical consumption, pretty much no noise, hardly any heat output, built in keyboard 'n mouse..and...built in battery backup!

I've ordered "APC Back-UPS ES 8 Outlet 450VA 120V Uninterrupted Power Supply it has a backup battery came out cheaper than the 350VA you had mentioned. I am only getting this because you said it works plus we had another brown out over the weekend and it had taken down my entire network. MAC IP assignments didn't get done so that had screwed-up everything. But I am back on track. Testing 5 routers and didn't put in the reserved IPs into the Belkin N+ ouch. Back on track. now! Brown out was a wake-up call.

 

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

Please review this :{

 

[kamina]

I just bought one of these, I find it's an amazing bargain compared to just about everything else on the market. 5 gigabit ports which can either route or switch at wire speed, one port supports power over ethernet. Everything is speedy and works as expected. The newer comparisons state it could route about 600mbit/s.

Did not get to install it yet, just played around a bit.

 

[No Noe]

Hi All

I am new to this, I've never tried this out. But I wanna know
1) Is this possible to use RouterBOARD 450G for Pfsense ?
2) If so, how can I do this ?

now I am looking for bandwidth loadbalancer and failover to get Four Internet lines bandwidth to be together.
If anyone of you can guide me, I would be appreciate very much.
Thank you all in anticipation.

Please someone do help me out or give me suggestion.

 

[Fraoch]

Since no one has answered your question I'll give it a shot. Note I do not have any direct experience with the 450G but I did research it fairly extensively when I was looking for a wired router.

1) Is this possible to use RouterBOARD 450G for Pfsense ?

I don't think so. It runs MicroTik's RouterOS only. It's not a general-purpose device.

pfsense is designed to be installed on general-purpose x86 hardware - a PC, old or new. For what you're looking at (4 WAN with load balancing) you should probably put 2-port or 4-port NICs on PCIe slots. Intel has such NICs:

http://ark.intel.com/products/family/46829/Intel-Gigabit-Server-Adapters

They're expensive and may be hard to find though.

There are small form factor embedded motherboards with 4 or more ports which can be used for this purpose - like these, for example:

http://www.lannerinc.com/products/x86-network-appliances/desktop/