ASUS RT-AC5300
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sfx2000
Part of the Furniture
And I've never been a fan of Broadcom's Tri-Band X-Stream approach - putting some devices on one 5G radio vs. other on the other 5G radio - their position being that one can do the fast lane on one, and the slow lane on the other...
Well, that takes up 160MHz of bandwidth - it's more obnoxious that Wide Channels in 2.4GHz, and just as much of a spectrum hog - would be better just to kick the slow devices via band steering to a 2.4Ghz radio instead, keeping the 5G free for your fast devices, and keeping the other commonly available (e.g. non-DFS/non-TPC) channels open for your neighbor...
And many that have the RT-3200 know first hand how clever "Smart Connect" is... or not... I think the only folks that benefit from X-Stream are Broadcom shareholders, as BRCM can book twice as many 5G MAC/Baseband/RF sales... to the end user, it's still a 5G radio, and for most, less than AC1300 bandwidth at that...
Well, that takes up 160MHz of bandwidth - it's more obnoxious that Wide Channels in 2.4GHz, and just as much of a spectrum hog - would be better just to kick the slow devices via band steering to a 2.4Ghz radio instead, keeping the 5G free for your fast devices, and keeping the other commonly available (e.g. non-DFS/non-TPC) channels open for your neighbor...
And many that have the RT-3200 know first hand how clever "Smart Connect" is... or not... I think the only folks that benefit from X-Stream are Broadcom shareholders, as BRCM can book twice as many 5G MAC/Baseband/RF sales... to the end user, it's still a 5G radio, and for most, less than AC1300 bandwidth at that...
NightOwl326
Senior Member
In trouble with what? It's a triband class router, just like the RT-AC3200, which did have many issues at first but now works quite well. I'm sure ASUS is familiar enough with triband tech that previous bugs and issues won't be repeated thing, but new ones can appear. I anticipate bugs with new products, such as the one in question. I don't recall ever threatening to sue anyone over it. What's even funnier is that you call everyone in this thread crying school girls, even though this thread was having a good discussion up until your unneeded commentary was added in. Sounds like you need to find a different thread where you can actually engage with people and benefit the community, rather than purposely instigating other users for a negative reaction.
I have been a member of this forum a long time, and do not need to be schooled by an "occasional visitor" to this forum. The point of my post is that as a long time member of this forum I see the same pattern over and over again. The more senior members and the owner of this forum warn over and over again about the problem with purchasing early adopter hardware until the bugs are worked out, and some disregard their advice and get all excited about the shiney new box with more antennas then their current box, buy it and then start complaining about range, stability, etc. If you where more well read on this forum, you would have read members talking about sueing over the rt-ac87u, and I remember when senior members said wait and see until it is time tested and has multiple firmware updates (advice wait one year, and if they did they would have known its problems and never bought one). Now the pattern starts over again with a new shiney box with more antennas then some members current box and they are all excited about laying out $400.00 for something that has not even rolled of the assembly line yet or the buyer even being close to having the clients to take advantage of its hardware. So on your "occassional visits" to this forum stop by about February to March next year and start reading the complaints on stabilty, range, etc by the early adopters of this new model, and then you can have a more educated debate with me about my observations, until then......bye bye!
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sfx2000
Part of the Furniture
Going thru recent code dumps from Asus... what models make sense? Some of them are DSL GW devices (the DSL-AC68U), and we're aware of the EA--AC87, but there's a few outliers... I think the 55U is AC1200...
RT-AC3200
RT-AC69U
RT-AC56S
RT-AC56U
RT-AC68U
RT-AC68U_V2
DSL-AC68U
RT-AC87U
EA-AC87
RT-AC88U
RT-AC3100
RT-AC5300
RT-AC55U
RT-AC55UHP
RT-AC69U
RT-AC56S
RT-AC56U
RT-AC68U
RT-AC68U_V2
DSL-AC68U
RT-AC87U
EA-AC87
RT-AC88U
RT-AC3100
RT-AC5300
RT-AC55U
RT-AC55UHP
RMerlin
Asuswrt-Merlin dev
I also sighted a trio of PL-ACxxx products in recent GPL drops.
RT-AC55U is indeed AC1200.
RT-AC68U_V2 is more or less the RT-AC68P (shares the same BCM4709, can't remember if it shares the same PAs however). The original V2 plans were ultimately scrapped.
RT-AC56S is a single core version of the RT-AC56U, used by a few ISPs in either Europe or Asia (I forgot).
HP SKUs are High Power - they use higher gain antennas.
NightOwl326
Senior Member
You are correct in the price point, as reviews have not hit 200 yet for the rt-ac3200 on Amazon which is low compared to others. They are pushing the price envelope and will reach mostly hard core enthusiasts and some kids with their wealthy mom's Visa card in their hand. Oh and gamers who don't even know what the specs mean but hope to get a higher kill rate.
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sfx2000
Part of the Furniture
In the GPL drop, the RT-AC5300 has been there, but there's also the RT-AC3100
I wonder if the AC3100 is the saner version - drop the second 5GHz radio, which would reduce cost/complexity - and it could be the follow on to the very successful RT-AC68 series...
So it might be the one to watch - one still gets 4*4:4 capabilities on both bands, along with MU-MIMO, without having the additional 5GHz MAC/Baseband/RF, which would reduce the heat load...
Side Note - On the AC5300, I was a bit surprised with the 256MB RAM/128MB Flash spec - RAM and Flash is cheap these days, and they could have easily doubled it.
I wonder if the AC3100 is the saner version - drop the second 5GHz radio, which would reduce cost/complexity - and it could be the follow on to the very successful RT-AC68 series...
So it might be the one to watch - one still gets 4*4:4 capabilities on both bands, along with MU-MIMO, without having the additional 5GHz MAC/Baseband/RF, which would reduce the heat load...
Side Note - On the AC5300, I was a bit surprised with the 256MB RAM/128MB Flash spec - RAM and Flash is cheap these days, and they could have easily doubled it.
RMerlin
Asuswrt-Merlin dev
RT-AC3100 is pretty much the same thing as the RT-AC88U, possibly just marketing wasn't sure yet which name to use, or they want to market a few slight variants. If you look at the FCC entry, both models are filed under the same FCC ID.
I find that odd, since other Xstream Gen 2 devices went with 512/256 AFAIK. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a mistake, or something that might change before the product actually reaches the market.
NightOwl326
Senior Member
It will be interesting to see who is first to market with the 5300 platform, d-link or Asus. I bet d-link wins. In addition has there been any word of a netgear competing product for this platform? Inquiring minds want to know!
RMerlin
Asuswrt-Merlin dev
R8500.
NightOwl326
Senior Member
Thx
NightOwl326
Senior Member
But let's admit to some truth here. Routers like the 5300 sell because it fulfills the "my router is bigger and more powerful than you router" syndrome for some enthusiasts, and looks bitchen sitting out when your friends come over.
snakebite3
Senior Member
Any one expect the NV Ram limit to be raise?
joe012594
Regular Contributor
The amount of time you've spent on here is irrelevant. This comes to down to right and wrong. Name calling, belittling, and purposeful instigation isn't called for, period. You may very well have some valid points behind your words, but your approach in expressing said points isn't the proper way, which is why we're having this discussion now. Nothing that you say or do is going to change consumers' minds on buying fresh out of the factory products nor their choosing in how to respond to finding that the product doesn't live up to the hype due to bugs. Some will be responsible about it and wait patiently. Others will continue as they always have and complain on this site. You can't change that. Put that energy you're dedicating to your hostility into something more constructive.
sfx2000
Part of the Furniture
Just goes to NightOwl326's comment... some peeps like industrial designs like the RT-AC5300, and these folks are willing to pay the premium I guess...
Lol... kind of reminds me of my son's Asus 'Republic Of Gamers' 17 inch laptop (G750JLX). The thing is huge... I mean it's not that bad, and runs pretty much anything one throws at it... I could hide two of my Macbook Pro's inside it (2012 15 inch non-retina)... his money, his choice, and that's what he bought..
joe012594
Regular Contributor
It's more than likely going to be an upgrade from the RT-AC87U/R. By doing the math, I suspect you're 100% correct that it's basically an RT-AC5300 without the 2nd 5GHz radio. It'll likely have Smart Connect (band steering) in it as well, which is becoming a more mainstream feature among other manufacturers. And, of course, it'll have 4x4 MU-MIMO, even on 2.4GHz, unlike the RT-AC87U/R.
2.4GHz: 1000Mbps (200Mbps per spacial stream)
5GHz: 2165Mbps (541.25Mbps per spacial stream)
RMerlin
Asuswrt-Merlin dev
If I remember correctly, it's set to 128KB in the GPL drop.
Asus are increasingly moving some stuff to JFFS however (they already moved the OpenVPN key/certs), so that's also helping free up nvram space.
joe012594
Regular Contributor
Only launch info that's been given from ASUS is sometime in Q4 (somtime around October to December).
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