ai trend micro protection vs vpn

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cooloutac

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which is better for for security? apparently you can't have both on these routers without all sorts of errors and crashes. especially on the gov' backdoor called the ac86u. do i disable ai trend micro, or do i ditch the vpn. that is the question lol..

i feel the vpn is good protection against redirects, mitm attacks, and evesdroping like from malicious devices on public/home networks

there are lots of testimonials about trend micro blocking lots of nasty things on peoples networks.

i'm interested in peoples opinions on which they choose and why?
 
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AndreiV

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A VPN will encrypt the data/connection. AiProtection provides protection against malware sites and intrusion detection, they are different approaches to security .
 

OzarkEdge

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cooloutac

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Replace your defective router and you'll be fine. :)

OE
what the gov't has to understand is that most people get a vpn for security and privacy for their families not because they are criminals up to no good. thats the minority nowadays.
 
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L&LD

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What the people must understand is that a commercial, paid-for VPN, does nothing for security or privacy. Unless one owns both ends of the tunnel, you're only deluding yourself. :cool:
 

cooloutac

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What the people must understand is that a commercial, paid-for VPN, does nothing for security or privacy. Unless one owns both ends of the tunnel, you're only deluding yourself. :cool:
Then there is no such thing as security or privacy and everyone is deluding themselves. I could just as easily tell you that owning the endpoints are meaningless since they are already compromised. Meaning the hardware chips and firmware right out the box. But It all depends on your threat model. I'm not worried about the govt or high level actors more then people like you. I'm not worried about the companies who own the services I'm using I'm worried about people like you sniffing around in between. Especially over WiFi and on my home lan.

You're deluding yourself if you don't already assume your network is compromised I don't care who you are. If encryption doesn't matter why is it fought so hard against? The reason the AC86u has more problems then any other ASUS router, Is simply because it's mostly used for fast VPN speeds which makes it a threat and a bigger target than even the more popular AC68u.

You sound like one of those people who think voting doesn't matter when people murder and die for it.
 

L&LD

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I'm not deluding myself by not buying into vaporware 'security and privacy' with a commercial VPN service.

The RT-AC86U has not been problematic for me during the time I owned it, nor for my customers now (and 99% don't use a commercial VPN service on it either).

When you're online, with any hardware platform, you are deluding yourself that you are safe.

A case can be made that those using VPN's are the first ones to be scrutinized, every time they go online. What a great deal for the people you don't care about hacking you; a single point to track them all.
 

cooloutac

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well you confirmed what i said. you and your customers don't have problems with the router cause you don't run a vpn on it. thanks for confirming.

all i can say to that is be good sheep i guess. why would people be scrutinized for using a vpn if it serves no security or privacy purpose and its a 'single point to track them all' as you ludicrously claim. the reason people using vpn's would be the first to be backdoored/scrutinized are because of people like you. its not because they are ineffictive or make them less safe for criminals. its because people like you are the ones who are first to scrutinize those using a vpn because you think THEY are the criminals. just admit it. and i find that shameful cause its quite the opposite. you make society less safe and are the true national security risk. its not people using vpns.

its 2020 man get with the times. assume your network is compromised already just like the dod does.
 

OzarkEdge

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As I see it, a VPN allows you to encrypt and route your traffic securely between two endpoints. VPN privacy and security ends at the endpoints.

OE
 

cooloutac

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As I see it, a VPN allows you to encrypt and route your traffic securely between two endpoints. VPN privacy and security ends at the endpoints.

OE
this is true. now one can argue that encryption is pointless when the endpoints are compromised, as they are right out of the box and when they are literally impossible to secure from a persistent high level attacker targeting you. but what about everything between the two endpoints? what about all the low level actors and randoms? I mean do you people also go around arguing against people installing doorlocks on their homes cause its not gonan stop a real thief? its just as suspicous to argue against people using encryption.

one common, more valid, argument against encryption is https for web traffic. but https alone is not always that secure and private. eery week i read an article about how https was compromised. I just read one last night about how the EFF was sniffing https traffic coming from ring doorbell devices to marketing agencies which they consider a privacy risk. they had trouble at first but eventually managed to get it accept a certificate and then read all the traffic. pu things like ring doorbell behind a vpn and it makes it that much harder. because then they will have to compromise the endpoints as you said and that would be way less trivial for them. layers upon layers is my motto although nowadays i have real lax security. but running a commercial vpn is something anyone can easily do.

what even worse is your home lan. i don't know about you but i have about 30 iot devices and i assume they are all compromised lol. i don't even know why firewall products still ask if your network is a home, office or public network cause imo they should be treating everything as public at all times.


if your argument is you don't trust the vpn providers. well then i would say i trust them alot more then your isp lmao...
 
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OzarkEdge

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if your argument is you don't trust the vpn providers. well then i would say i trust them alot more then your isp lmao...
A VPN does shield from your ISP. So does https.

A VPN does not shield beyond its endpoints. HTTPS typically extends further than VPN endpoints.

No one is arguing against anything. I use door locks. But I don't expect them to stop anyone who wants to get in my house.

I don't use a VPN. I do use HTTPS for my sensitive traffic.

My only untrusted client is now on an isolated guest WLAN. Otherwise, I avoid untrustworthy IoT clients. Android is my most untrustworthy client now.

OE
 

cooloutac

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A VPN does shield from your ISP. So does https.

A VPN does not shield beyond its endpoints. HTTPS typically extends further than VPN endpoints.

No one is arguing against anything. I use door locks. But I don't expect them to stop anyone who wants to get in my house.

I don't use a VPN. I do use HTTPS for my sensitive traffic.

My only untrusted client is now on an isolated guest WLAN. Otherwise, I avoid untrustworthy IoT clients. Android is my most untrustworthy client now.

OE

well if you really want to be safe you could live like a monk. but life is too short for that imo. i got smart plugs, smart lights, echo devices you name it. like i said my security is lax nowadays because life is too short. Like you said android is very insecure, but don't think ios is that much better my friend. and we all have smartphones already. if wanted a secure android phone i'd use something like copperheados, or w/e fork Daniel Micay has went to now. but then you would be severely limiting what apps you can install on it.

but i wonder, do you need me to link some articles about how your https traffic is not that secure? google the story i mentioned about the EFF sniffing ring doorbell traffic as one example. to me the vpn goes hand in hand and a must if you rely on https for your sensitive traffic. its kind of ironic for you guys to look a those using vpn as being naive, and you are here posting how you depend on https for your sensitive traffic lol..
 
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OzarkEdge

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well if you really want to be safe you could live like a monk. but life is too short for that imo. i got smart plugs, smart lights, echo devices you name it. like i said my security is lax nowadays because life is too short. Like you said android is very insecure, but don't think ios is that much better my friend. and we all have smartphones already.

but i wonder, do you need me to link some articles about how your https traffic is not that secure? google the story i mentioned about the EFF sniffing ring doorbell traffic as one example. to me the vpn goes hand in hand and a must if you rely on https for your sensitive traffic. its kind of ironic for you guys to look a those using vpn as being naive, and you are here posting how you depend on https for your sensitive traffic lol..
You are attributing too much to us. We're just discussing your proposed topic, not you or your choices... that's your business.

OE
 

cooloutac

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You are attributing too much to us. We're just discussing your proposed topic, not you or your choices... that's your business.

OE
if you were using a vpn it would be harder to attribute it to you, hahah bad joke. so lets further clarify. https indeed encrypts the traffic between you and your bank. but the vpn hides the fact your connecting to a bank and is less trivial to decrypt. they go hand in hand imo.
 
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OzarkEdge

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retract if you want. but lets further clarify. https indeed encrypts the traffic between you and your bank. but the vpn hides the fact your connecting to a bank and is less trivial to decrypt.
I have not retracted anything. Again, you are attributing more than there is. You are waging your own made up conflict.

Yes, the VPN 'hides' your traffic, but not to a bank... not beyond its endpoints. All of your VPN traffic exits the VPN tunnel and travels unencrypted over the open Internet just like all of the other non-VPN traffic on the Internet. On your end, your VPN traffic exits your router VPN server or a VPN app on your client and is then open to whatever lurks on your LAN and your clients and back out through the VPN to the open Internet should your LAN or clients be compromised and/or remotely controlled by one simple act of unsafe computing like clicking a link to a malware payload on a website or in an email... all while running your VPN. For all practical purposes, just assume all of your IoT light bulbs and door bells and door knobs are already remotely controlled by design, merrily but securely running over your router VPN and with full access to your LAN and its clients until you fix your guest WLANs or install a more capable network with properly isolated VLANs.

OE
 

cooloutac

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i think you're the one making stuff up. what do you think i am attributing to you exactly?

you are correct not beyond the vpn's endpoints, but it does from within your compromised home lan to all the hops along the world wide web up to that point. when you simply rely on https, you letting everyone on your lan and the web know you are connecting to a bank. they know its you and they know which bank.

it is not open to w/e lurks on your home lan, you're wrong about that, especially if you use the app which all of them have an option to block lan traffic on by default. in fact one of the main reasons people use a vpn is for unrusted wifi networks. my whole point is everyones home nowadays should be considered an untrusted network lol. they would have to compromise the router or the device, they can't simply intercept your lan traffic which is trivial.
 
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OzarkEdge

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i think you're the one making stuff up. what am i attributing to you exactly?

you are correct not beyond the vpn's endpoints, but it does from within your compromised home lan to all the hops along the world wide web up to that point. when you simply rely on https, you letting everyone on your lan and the web know you are connecting to a bank. they know its you and they know which bank.

it is not open to w/e lurks on your home lan, you're wrong about that, especially if you use the app which all of them have an option to block lan traffic on by default. in fact one of the main reasons people use a vpn is for unrusted wifi networks. my whole point is everyones home nowadays should be considered an untrusted network lol. they would have to compromise the router or the device, they can't simply intercept your lan traffic which is trivial.
I don't need to explain further.

To answer your original question, AiProtection, if it works, will do more to protect your users from malware that can compromise your privacy and data security than will a VPN.

Neither will protect you from all unsafe computing and hard exploits let in on purpose or by negligent design by IoT devices you should not have trusted in the first place.

OE
 
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