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Upgrade from Asus RT-AX88U (RT-BE88U / ROG Strix GS-BE18000 / ROG Rapture GT-BE19000AI)?..

There's also agreement that the 6GHz band is not worth it.

Well... many will disagree, but I'm with you on this one. Wi-Fi is convenience first technology and dual-band devices offer better price/performance ratio with acceptable single AP range for home environments. What matters after all is user experience and not speed test numbers. I believe most will agree home AIO routers work best as single AP as designed. The best hardware choice is the right one for the application.
 
the AX88U Pro (not really the same as his existing AX88U but highly compatible with it)

This model with 3006 firmware is hard to find lately and it's not really highly compatible with routers running 3004 firmware. The new GNP/Network/VLAN features are not available to older models in AiMesh configuration. So it's like investing in network with limitations right from the start.

But three meshed routers will likely cover most homes. They will be blazingly fast back hauled by Cat 6a cable.

If Ethernet infrastructure is available there are better options than "meshing routers" and consumer "mesh sets". Access Points in Wi-Fi 6 class with better multi-AP management features and VLAN support start under $100. There are better options than AiMesh in particular even on the consumer market.
 
This model with 3006 firmware is hard to find lately and it's not really highly compatible with routers running 3004 firmware. The new GNP/Network/VLAN features are not available to older models in AiMesh configuration. So it's like investing in network with limitations right from the start.



If Ethernet infrastructure is available there are better options than "meshing routers" and consumer "mesh sets". Access Points in Wi-Fi 6 class with better multi-AP management features and VLAN support start under $100. There are better options than AiMesh in particular even on the consumer market.
Yes, this is a problem, the model is no longer for sale. So I am not sure which other model to go for in the AX line.

Also, AI mesh with backhaul, need more info on this. Is it just the APs are LAN connected?

Not sure my cheap AP support AI mesh.
 
This model with 3006 firmware is hard to find lately and it's not really highly compatible with routers running 3004 firmware. The new GNP/Network/VLAN features are not available to older models in AiMesh configuration. So it's like investing in network with limitations right from the start.



If Ethernet infrastructure is available there are better options than "meshing routers" and consumer "mesh sets". Access Points in Wi-Fi 6 class with better multi-AP management features and VLAN support start under $100. There are better options than AiMesh in particular even on the consumer market.
Which of those ACCESS points in the WIFI 6 with multi-AP management features can be substituted as a group free from choice of router and application server(s)?
 
There are quite a few to choose from around $100-150 like Cisco CBW150AX, HPE Instant On AP22, Omada EAP6xx series including some HD variants, Ubiquiti U6-Plus or even U7-Lite, MikroTik wAP or cAP series, etc. They all offer WebUI, App or Controller management options with different features and are VLAN capable. In your specific case since you need only 2x APs I would go with Omada EPA650-Desktop in stand-alone mode WebUI controlled. They look nice for home setup, have small footprint, built-in switch for extra LAN ports, don't require PoE and 12V power adapter is included. The price is around $130/ea.
 
Yes, this is a problem, the model is no longer for sale. So I am not sure which other model to go for in the AX line.

Also, AI mesh with backhaul, need more info on this. Is it just the APs are LAN connected?

Not sure my cheap AP support AI mesh.
AImesh backhaul is just another LAN device(s). Both of your routers run AImesh in WIFI 6 AX mode as does my GS5400 without complaint.

I have my smart switch configured to never change physical port cabling where each physical port is a unique assigned default VLAN as port number x 10 unless overridden in an actual configuration:\

Port 1 - free port for back end LAN
Port 2 - Internet gateway incoming port
Port 3 - bare metal router incoming WAN port
Port 4 - bare metal router outgoing LAN port
Port 5 - Proxmox server incoming WAN port
Port 6 - Proxmox server outgoing LAN port
Port 7 - Primary router incoming LAN port in AP mode/outgoing LAN port in AImesh mode (one and the same)
Port 8 - Aimesh outgoing back haul LAN port in Aimesh mode

All you need to understand is that each VLAN number creates a completely isolated bridge without touching any of the network devices or cables.

1) In standard configuration with the bare metal router leading and Promox server behind it:

VLAN 20 - Ports 2, 3 bridged to isolate Internet access by bare metal router's WAN port
VLAN 1 - Ports 4,5,7,8 bridged to isolate the internal primary network's LAN from its WAN network and which also supports the unalterable switch management GUI on native VLAN1
VLAN 60 - Ports 6,1 bridged to isolate the internal secondary network's LAN from its WAN network2


2) In maintenance/debug configuration with the Proxmox server's Opnense router VM first and the bare metal router behind it:

VLAN 20 - Ports 2,5 bridged to isolate Internet access by the Promox server's WAN port
VLAN 1 - Ports 6,3,7,8 bridged to isolate the internal primary network's LAN from its WAN network which also supports the unalterable switch management GUI on native VLAN1
VLAN 40 - Ports 4,1 bridged to isolate the internal secondary network's LAN from its WAN network

Note the primary home router AP and the secondary AImesh node always remain on native VLAN 1 regardless of the other reconfigurations where they connect to the LAN of whoever bridges with Internet gateway port.

If you don't have an independent front end router or you run the Internet gateway directly into the primary home router in router mode then you just plug everything into the back of the router. In that case use a smart switch only if you want to be able flip the order of who is the big boss router.

This architecture totally isolates choice of primary router, from the APs, and from the application server(s). You will never be dependent upon a single vendor again and you mix and match them at will.


All of this is done with what was $30 smart switch needing no partner switch in PortVLAN mode (802.1q not necessary as none of this escapes the switch). The price went down but unconstitutional tariffs drives it up. Mileage should not vary, but price might.
 
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I'm experiencing great difficulties deciphering your posts @CornfieldWin full of unrelated content and incorrect terms and I'm done with recommendations to @JarleH. Have a good weekend!
 
I'm experiencing great difficulties deciphering your posts @CornfieldWin full of unrelated content and incorrect terms and I'm done with recommendations to @JarleH. Have a good weekend!
Crickets. Perhaps you have good points but seem unable to articulate them in discussion. Have a good day.
 
@JarleH To the point:

3) Your best solutions is to add a AX88U Pro.
1) Plug your cable modem or equivalent into the WAN port of the additional AX88U Pro.
2) Plug in the existing AX88U and AX800U routers using your cat 6a cables into the LAN ports on the back of the AX88U Pro.
3) Take five minutes to factory reset all three.
4) Configure through the AX88U Pro GUI as usual in default router mode and set up the WIFI SSIDs.
5) Use the AImesh tab in the GUI to add simply add the existing two routers in AImesh mode which will be discovered automatically (they are compatible and know what to do).
6) Your are done! (All your WIFI configuration will automatically pass through to the now AImesh nodes.)

Ignore the rest of the thread as noise.
 
It actually makes me sad to see how people stick to single vendor, pay crazy money based on aggressive marketing or just select totally wrong hardware for the task. Two GT-BE19000AI gaming spiders from ASUS for $1800 may not provide better experience than Deco XE75 AXE5400 2-pack for $150. The latter is set-and-forget good quality Qualcomm Wi-Fi 6E home mesh set. It will self-adjust the mesh, has super easy control with phone app. Place it where it needs to be, turn it on... use the rest of the money for vacation.
Practically speaking there are three independent parts to any home network: the router (dedicated or integrated), the home network in router/AP mode optionally with mesh, and other application specific servers. Those are the 3 degrees of freedom. For most with simple needs the router and home network functionality will be integrated. Some manufacturers provide independent routers but lock in the APs needlessly to deter going elsewhere. The DogsBreakfast19000 is the dumbest mistake imaginable combining all network functions with applications (Opnense won't even let a browser onboard). Friends don't let friend go down that sink hole, never mind price. If in doubt, AI will explain.
 
Practically speaking there are three independent parts to any home network: the router (dedicated or integrated), the home network in router/AP mode optionally with mesh, and other application specific servers. Those are the 3 degrees of freedom. For most with simple needs the router and home network functionality will be integrated. Some manufacturers provide independent routers but lock in the APs needlessly to deter going elsewhere. The DogsBreakfast19000 is the dumbest mistake imaginable combining all network functions with applications (Opnense won't even let a browser onboard). Friends don't let friend go down that sink hole, never mind price. If in doubt, AI will explain.
Here we go with the AI
Welcome to my growing ignore list.
 
Some really bad AI was used in this thread. Backhaul goes to the back of the router, fronthaul goes to the front most likely. Uplink and downlink go... you know already. When it's wireless it goes... anywhere it wants. :)
 
If you’re old enough to remember…

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Edit: adding reference for the rest of you:
 
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