1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
Dismiss Notice

Welcome To SNBForums

SNBForums is a community for anyone who wants to learn about or discuss the latest in wireless routers, network storage and the ins and outs of building and maintaining a small network.

If you'd like to post a question, simply register and have at it!

While you're at it, please check out SmallNetBuilder for product reviews and our famous Router Charts, Ranker and plenty more!

WiFi Enterprise/Consumer

Discussion in 'Wireless Buying Advice' started by Discy, Mar 30, 2020.

  1. Val D.

    Val D. Very Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2019
    Messages:
    1,480
    There is a difference with Omada though, with no active controller there is no 802.11k/v/r roaming technologies.
     
  2. Discy

    Discy Occasional Visitor

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2020
    Messages:
    23
    Location:
    Netherlands
    Yes, already noticed that test-results of the same device differ by more than 200% (!). Emailed him to ask for clearence, but never got a response.
    Good to know that I should not give him the benefit of the doubt.

    What exactly does the lack of this mean in practice? Is it something I should consider to be a must?
    I've never heard of k/v/r. Also found some resources that mentioned "seamless", "fast" and "basic" roaming.
    This article mentioned in this post is pretty technical. I'm prepared to spend the time to understand what's being said but drawing practical conclusions would be hard it seems.

    (When) do I need this capability? If i'd go the Unify route, does the US-8-60W make more sense?

    I said it before, but thanks again guys for being such a great source of knowledge!!
    My girlfriend can't understand how you can have this much time on your hands :p. To me it seems like an investment well spend :cool:.
     
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2020
  3. Val D.

    Val D. Very Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2019
    Messages:
    1,480
    In Omada setup the controller provides roaming assistance*. In real life with no controller running some clients tend to stay connected to one AP even though another AP is closer and provides a stronger signal. You can observe this effect almost instantly with iOS devices, for example.

    * - Thanks to @Trip to read the Manual for me and to point out the benefits of Omada controller running 24/7.

    As per manufacturer claims, they all offer "seamless" roaming. In real life switching to another AP takes some time, usually measured in seconds. Omada and UniFi offer relatively fast connecting, but how fast a client will switch to another AP depends on the client's capabilities as well. I would say Omada is pretty quick with my iOS devices (2-3 sec), a bit slower with my Android devices (3-4 sec), there is no difference with stationary devices (just joking).
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2020
  4. Discy

    Discy Occasional Visitor

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2020
    Messages:
    23
    Location:
    Netherlands
    Omada Cloud Controller - €65 (roaming performance)
    TL-SG108PE - €58 (switch + poe)
    2 EAP245 - €178 (APs)
    PFsense (firewall/router)

    At "only" €300 investment and what has been discussed this seems like the way to go then.
     
  5. Val D.

    Val D. Very Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2019
    Messages:
    1,480
    It's €300 only because you're cheating. :)
    You never mentioned you already have a x86 router available. It's like €250 savings right there.

    I perfectly understand there is no single best universal advice in WiFi. I believe, you also perfectly understand what works at someone else's place may not be the best for your place. The equipment is good quality though and I'm sure you'll be able to install and adjust it right. There was another Dutch fellow recently with similar questions and he is happy with the results (most importantly - his wife is happy):

    https://www.snbforums.com/threads/l...th-3x-rtn66-u-as-aps.60612/page-2#post-563424
    https://www.snbforums.com/threads/l...th-3x-rtn66-u-as-aps.60612/page-2#post-564645

    What I did recommend to him is to get one EAP access point form Amazon and see how it performs in his environment. If it works as expected - great, if it doesn't - send it back, we'll discuss further options. You can do the same.
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2020
  6. Discy

    Discy Occasional Visitor

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2020
    Messages:
    23
    Location:
    Netherlands
    Indeed cheating, and not for everyone. Seems we came to a good and future-proof setup!

    If there are remarks left (by anyone) feel free to mention them.

    I will start with one AP and post the results for reference :).
     
  7. Val D.

    Val D. Very Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2019
    Messages:
    1,480
    My home setup is always in kind of work-in-progress state (I like to change and test things), but this exact pfSense + Omada is what I currently use. I don't usually recommend things based on reviews. My messages you read here are actually travelling through an EAP245. My wife on the other side is connected to another EAP245 and the fact I'm still writing here means I'm still alive... so, all good for now. Hopefully this Omada adventure keep you alive too. :)
     
  8. MichaelCG

    MichaelCG Very Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2017
    Messages:
    711
    Location:
    Central US
    My x86 box cost about $75 (probably $125 including NIC) since I use refurb enterprise desktops for mine. I have always been too cheap to buy a new box for this function. Unless chasing a specific form factor or a specific low power footprint, a 5 year old enterprise desktop has more than enough CPU to do firewall duties for quite a bit less cost.
     
  9. Val D.

    Val D. Very Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2019
    Messages:
    1,480
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2020
    MichaelCG likes this.
  10. Discy

    Discy Occasional Visitor

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2020
    Messages:
    23
    Location:
    Netherlands
    Yes - it wouldn't fit and for the price difference I would have preferred a smaller, properly validated, fanless device :)
     
  11. Val D.

    Val D. Very Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2019
    Messages:
    1,480
    Just make sure it's properly ventilated, because fanless doesn't mean "heatless". If you want something to work reliably for years, make sure it doesn't operate at skin burning temperatures 24/7. The chips inside may not have an issue, but the components around them may have reduced life expectancy.
     
  12. Trip

    Trip Very Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2014
    Messages:
    1,527
    Just wanted to add my backing of the proposed setup. In fact, isn't this similar to what you're running @Val D. ?
     
  13. Val D.

    Val D. Very Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2019
    Messages:
    1,480
    Product numbers are the same, but my presence around makes them look better... :D
     
  14. Discy

    Discy Occasional Visitor

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2020
    Messages:
    23
    Location:
    Netherlands
    Gotta say guys. I'm really happy with the Pfsense choice. Playing with all kinds of stuff like Load balancing VPN's. Takes literally hours/days of testing, debugging and only allow strictly neccessary traffic, but nearly everything seems possible. Way better than the routers I've used which seemed to have a mind of their own.
    Switch and first AP should arrive tuesday :).

    [​IMG]
     
    L&LD and Val D. like this.
  15. Discy

    Discy Occasional Visitor

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2020
    Messages:
    23
    Location:
    Netherlands
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2020