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RT-BE88u 2.4ghz network dying

jammy8911

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Wondering if someone is able to help with this or has had the same experience.
Essentially every couple of days the 2.4ghz interface on my BE88u router just dies. I have two 2.4ghz SSIDs currently, one is IoT dedicated, the other is main LAN. Both of these SSIDs will, at once, start dropping clients and eventually become empty. Once the issue starts, no client on the 2.4ghz band can assosiate, if I try and join the network on my phone I just get a 'Network error' message. This issue will persist until I manually reboot the router or edit a WiFi setting which casues the WiFi radios on the router to restart. I have tried enabling debug on the logs and had a scroll through but I can't see anything obvious. Does anyone have any ideas?

Some information that might be useful...
- Firmware is Asus merlin version 3006.102.6
- 2.4ghz WiFi is set to 20Mhz bandwidth on Channel 6 (I have also tried channel 1 & auto)
- OFDMA/MU-MIMO is disabled
- WiFi 7 mode is ENABLED
- SSIDs for the bands are de-synced so I have one for each
- MLO is DISABLED

Please let me know if posting the logs will be helpful?
 
Firmware is Asus merlin version 3006.102.6

Did you check the firmware release thread?


Better report your issue there and someone may be able to help you.
 
Thanks, I wasnt sure whether it was appropriate to post it there since this is a new router for me so I only have experience on this version of firmware, its not like I've updated it and the issue started. I previously had an RT-AX88u on merlin & it didnt suffer the same issue.
 
I previously had an RT-AX88u

This router runs different more mature 3004 base firmware. No wonder you had better experience with it. The new 3006 base firmware is work-in-progress upstream at ASUS. Connectivity issues are frequently reported.
 
This router runs different more mature 3004 base firmware. No wonder you had better experience with it. The new 3006 base firmware is work-in-progress upstream at ASUS. Connectivity issues are frequently reported.
Yeah understand that, I dont expect it to be perfect. However this issue is core functionality. I shouldnt need to reboot the router every 2 days to keep 2.4ghz working.
 
However this issue is core functionality.

You perhaps know Asuswrt-Merlin doesn't contain any changes to drivers and closed source components. Wireless issues are usually related to Asuswrt base upstream. Check the release thread and see what other RT-BE88U users say, follow their initial setup and settings advice. Depending on your use case you may discover other things not working properly on this router. Trend Micro bwdpi engine is broken, don't count on Adaptive QoS and perhaps other components using application based traffic recognition like Traffic Analyzer and Parental Controls. Web History and AiProtection (at least domain based blocking) are perhaps working okay. Regular SNB Forum visitors are aware about known issues and work their way around them.

I understand your frustration, but this Wi-Fi 7 generation was probably called BE for "beta". 🤷‍♂️
 
Your best bet is to flash Asus firmware, factory reset then manually configure. Leave the WIFI settings at defaults except for the SSID and password. Then watch it for several days without making changes.
 
So as an update on this, the issue has reduced to happening around once every week or two. This change seems to have coincided with my reduction in use of smart plugs/bulbs/controllers since my Christmas lights have all come down. Its strange that the issue is linked to the number of 2.4ghz devices in use, or at least the number of possibly faulty ones. Its not like I am talking about hundreds of devices, this is a difference of around 10-15.
@gmsonsoon did you observe anything like this?
 
Yes, saw exactly that issue. In fact, the logs showed I had two garage door openers (2.4ghz only) that were authenticating and de-authenticating so many times that it crashed the wireless interface, and nothing could join. I have the BE-88U as the primary and then multiple AX88-pro's in access point mode. I obtained the mac address of each garage door opener and blocklisted them from joining the BE-88U. They were then forced to join one of the other access points, and it has been stable since.
 
Interesting so looks like its not even the garage door openers themselves since they work fine on your AX88's, its more an issue with the BE-88u...
 
Exactly, it all came down to the BE-88U. I had reset it to stock to try and fix previously (although I never downgraded the firmware) or tried Merlin. I figured it might be due to Wifi 7 requiring WPA3 or something with authorization that they just did not like. Smooth as ever on the AX88's.
 
authenticating and de-authenticating so many times
Not your router specific but the quoted behaviour you’re observing is something I’ve been seeing with my IoT devices, specifically Shelly’s.

There’s quite a few things going on in parallel it seems and some of it is down to IoT devices themselves and some to how Asus decides which device goes where.

I note you’re using Main plus AP nodes, which means unlike AiMesh, your guest or IoT (GNP) networks set up in GNP are not propagated to the nodes. So I’m assuming your 2.4Ghz network is set up for IoT device, if you’ve split them,

IoT Devices Deciding

So in relation to the IoT Devices, some have poor FW (if they’re sophisticated enough to have any) and most have weak Wi-Fi. In my Shelly’s i could (and needed to) tighten the RSSI at which each determined (by itself) to roam to a node, so that that connection was strongest and they stayed there, no Auth deauth.

Once tightened enough it did this properly but what I and some others see often is that

1. When the routers boot up (certainly in AiMesh mode) the IoTs join the main first as it seems to wake first, as long as that ‘just’ satisfies the RSSI criteria, or

2,.They join the Router with the strongest TX signal, more on that below, which cannot be adjusted per Node in AiMesh, but IIRC can be in AP mode, so you may have an option there to tweak TX balance.

Unsophisticated IoTs will probably just join to the strongest router signal, or have at best a preset RSSI at which they roam.

My observations here was that if the RSSI was too loose, but close to what they might roam at, they attached themselves to one node, ran off to a better one, came back, constantly connecting and disconnecting like some duck being fed bread by several different people, then fell off completely.

Router Side

On the router side you have Roaming Assist (RA) which most folks will rightly IMO tell you to disable for 2,4Ghz (IoT) devices as they are generally fixed in place.

Most folks will say set Static IPs on rage devices if you can; i do this as well as DHCP assignments on the router. If you cannot do the former, the latter helps if nothing else, than identification. It may help initial attachment, but I cannot vouch for that.

Most folks will say use WPA2 for IoT devices as especially older or poorly implemented ones struggle with WPA2/WPA3 mixed or above.

Similarly, as you have done,most recommend 2.4GHz channels 1, 6 or 11 (1 is slightly further from microwave frequency I believe, but crowded) and 20MHz, not 20/40. I personally left mine at 20/40 as I still want older IOS devices to connect at reasonable speed or to reach further away devices that drop off 5Ghz onto 2.4, at a decent speed. My Chromecast is a case in point.

There’s a few wireless professional settings some swear by (or at, if it’s not going well) like disabling Beam forming or TX Burst etc etc, but I started out and tried to stay as close to stock settings as possible amd these didn’t help in my case.

Then you have Smart Connect whose job it is, if you have a combined 2.4 and 5GHz SSID, to trigger/steer devices to the 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz network based on signal strength. A combined SSID is probably rare for those with IoT devices and using APs as the advice is always to separate them, but with AIMesh I left it combined as I can make them join a 2.4Ghz SSID in GNP using an IoT network. Still, if you do have APs it’s a potential issue as SC also comes into play, trying to steer (if strong) a 2.4GHz IoT device to a 5GHz band, which it will never connect to. The best parallel I can think of is trying to mate the two sides of Velcro strips, only the grippy side facing each other mate, no other option exists.

I have (separate thread) run scripts on each node to see what the device sees as RSSI at the node and what RSSI the Router sees at the router, which is interesting. They can be quite different and have helped me at least understand why a particular device is still in a node at a weak RSSI and hasn’t moved to and stayed on a better one.

The above are all settings in the GUI, I’ve played around with some things under the hood like when to flush ARP (essentially a record of connected / previously connected devices) cache as the timing of it forgetting these may have coincided with when my devices were trying to reconnect. IMO if you have to resort to this sort of tuning something’s gone wrong.

Sorry for the long winded post, hopefully it gives you if nothing else, some food for thought ND you get yours sorted out, but there’s a lot of things at play and I think it’s incredibly difficult without the granularity of eg power adjustments per node or per SSID even, to get all devices working as one might expect.
 
I personally left mine at 20/40 as I still want older IOS devices to connect at reasonable speed or to reach further away devices that drop off 5Ghz onto 2.4, at a decent speed.

This is wrong understanding of the setting. It means the router decides 20MHz or 40MHz channel bandwidth based on interference levels and floor noise detected. For 2.4GHz band most routers will stay at 20MHz forever and your non-IoT devices will never use 40MHz. So it's actually "20 or 40", not "20 and 40" guaranteed. If it's 20 (most likely) - all devices use 20. If it's 40 (rare) - both 40 and 20 devices can connect.
 
This is wrong understanding of the setting. It means the router decides 20MHz or 40MHz channel bandwidth based on interference levels and floor noise detected. For 2.4GHz band most routers will stay at 20MHz forever and your non-IoT devices will never use 40MHz. So it's actually "20 or 40", not "20 and 40".
Thank you for that, I thought that similar to 5Ghz devices, which seemed to select one of 80 or 160MHz (or lower) and each could coexist (see extract), the IoTs or iOS selected either 20 or 40 as they saw best fit them, (must admit I’ve never seen both simultaneously).

So you’re saying for 2.4Ghz the router decides just the best ONE of those options and it’s then fixed for all devices, like it or lump it you outdated iOS numpties?

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So you’re saying the router decides just the best ONE of those options and it’s then fixed for all devices, like it or lump it you outdated iOS numpties?

I have updated the previous post to make it more clear. It decides on maximum channel bandwidth. If it's 20MHz on 2.4GHz band all devices use 20MHz even if they are 40MHz capable. On you 5GHz band screenshot - the router decided 160MHz channel bandwidth is possible and allows all 20/40/80/160 connections depending on devices' capabilities. If you set manually 160MHz only - the same, 20/40/80MHz capable devices will be allowed. You just disable part of ACSD. Fix the channel to disable it completely.
 
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@jammy8911 A couple of things that I didn't see mentioned...

You could disable WiFi 7 mode since 2.4 GHz IoTs may not even be WiFi 7....

You could enable OFDMA/MU-MIMO. Those that are able to connect. Move them to the Main SSID where you'd enable that there. Then disable it on the IoT SSID. This will spread them to both and less likely to crash....
 
I have a dual 5 GHz GT-AXE16000. So I decided to enable OFDMA/MU-MIMO on 5 GHz-2 and disable it on 5 GHz-1. My network is very diverse and each node only needs to handle 1-3 devices if any.... Which do you think my WiFi 7 OnePlus Open connected to? It surprised me but the 5 GHz-1 with OFDMA/MU-MIMO disabled....
 
Which do you think my WiFi 7 OnePlus Open connected to? It surprised me but the 5 GHz-1 with OFDMA/MU-MIMO disabled....

Your 5GHz-1 radio has slightly better range compared to 5GHz-2. The client decides where to connect, 1dB signal level difference may steer it to 5GHz-1 radio regardless of OFDMA/MU-MIMO setting. You can test and see. Don't be surprised if your phone always connects to 5GHz-1 radio.
 
Your 5GHz-1 radio has slightly better range compared to 5GHz-2. The client decides where to connect, 1dB signal level difference may steer it to 5GHz-1 radio regardless of OFDMA/MU-MIMO setting. You can test and see. Don't be surprised if your phone always connects to 5GHz-1 radio.
Hmmm. Gotta check this I guess and swap OFDMA/MU-MIMO to #1...

I thought the orthogonal (frequency) division multiple access was cutting the maximum bandwidth available to each device....
 
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