US bans sale of all *new model* non-US made wifi routers

[dave14305]

All this nonsense kind of directs me to buying a reasonable x86 mini computer with 2 or 4 LAN ports and build your own router. Especially at the price listed above. That is just nuts for a home router

RAM prices might make this more complicated, but probably still worth it.

 

[nekrosoft13]

FCC ban applies to consumer grade routers. I don't know any running pfSense or OPNsense.

I heard that.. that really "stupid" shouldn't it be more important to in enterprise.

 

[jzchen]

Without going into details, two possibilities:

- Someone woke up in the morning and before taking the pills generated an entire industry damaging decision. A buddy from US based multi-billion dollar company will call and the decision will be reversed, modified, the company will be exempt, etc.

- The buddy called long time ago and a plan was made how to make even more money by eliminating the competition using "unacceptable risk" to national security reasons. A company already announced their devices are made in Texas, exempt already.

That was Musk, saying "you took away $7500/each for almost all Tesla's I sold, now give me something back in return!"

Darn Starlink stuff doesn't even support WPA3...

 

[nekrosoft13]

No.

hmm... that what I though, was just confused why would anyone be hoarding AX routers.

 

[Tech9]

was just confused why would anyone be hoarding AX routers

No one is hoarding AX routers. ASUS AX routers are not available for whatever reason. Most likely because of ASUS' own marketing. TP-Link AX routers are readily available. ASUS compete with themselves with overlapping features product lines and have supply chain issues. TP-Link is killing them on the market. And this is part of the problem in the US. TP-Link outsells everyone with >35% market share already. They want to give space to a local buddy. Let them figure it out, we don't have to worry about it North of the border.

 

[jzchen]

No one is hoarding AX routers. ASUS AX routers are not available for whatever reason. Most likely because of ASUS' own marketing. TP-Link AX routers are readily available. ASUS compete with themselves with overlapping features product lines and have supply chain issues. TP-Link is killing them on the market. And this is part of the problem in the US. TP-Link outsells everyone with >35% market share already. They want to give space to a local buddy. Let them figure it out, we don't have to worry about it North of the border.

TP-Link does not sell video cards, desktops, monitors, gaming devices, etc. They need more sales to survive...

TP-Link has inverted prices, AX routers more expensive than BE routers, to encourage customers to adopt. ASUS does not want to have to follow suit, so just halt production of the AX models...

 

[Ripshod]

TP-Link has inverted prices, AX routers more expensive than BE routers, to encourage customers to adopt. ASUS does not want to have to follow suit, so just halt production of the AX models...

In your opinion. Please stop posting your thoughts as if they're proven fact.

 

[jzchen]

In your opinion. Please stop posting your thoughts as if they're proven fact.

Yes sir...

 

[Tech9]

They need more sales to survive...

They are "surviving" better than many others with entire lines of products very few have. Festa, Omada, Omada Pro, Pharos, Aginet, Vigi, Tapo, Kasa, Mercusys, Smart Home devices like locks, door bells, vacuums, etc. Don't worry about TP-Link and don't worry about your own situation because you have accumulated a warehouse of devices perhaps good beyond 2032 as APs at least. No one is going to take them away from you. You may get shot by ICE by accident, but this is entirely different topic.

 

[thiggins]

In your opinion. Please stop posting your thoughts as if they're proven fact.

@Ripshod Please leave moderation to the forum admins. It's not necessary to preface posts with "Fact" or "Opinion" labels.
@jzchen You're fine. I undeleted your post.

 

[Ripshod]

@Ripshod Please leave moderation to the forum admins. It's not necessary to preface posts with "Fact" or "Opinion" labels.
@jzchen You're fine. I undeleted your post.

No worries @thiggins, this member is back on my ignore list so I don't have to see their misleading crap any more.

 

[jzchen]

They are "surviving" better than many others with entire lines of products very few have. Festa, Omada, Omada Pro, Pharos, Aginet, Vigi, Tapo, Kasa, Mercusys, Smart Home devices like locks, door bells, vacuums, etc. Don't worry about TP-Link and don't worry about your own situation because you have accumulated a warehouse of devices perhaps good beyond 2032 as APs at least. No one is going to take them away from you. You may get shot by ICE by accident, but this is entirely different topic.

I wish I did except FCC is banning updates... Sigh...

ICE shooting was after the vehicle already passed. Power play by my opinion....

 

[Tech9]

On TP-Link pricing and availability:
I see 4 generations TP-Link devices in my local store in EU as well as in CA. They have new N300 from ~$20-30, AC1200 from ~$40-50, AX3000 from ~$55-70 and entry-level BE3600 from ~$100-120. There is something for all budgets and needs. The devices are not old stock, TL-WR841N for example is hardware revision V14.

On potentially banned updates:
You can use whatever you have for APs for very long time. I see 4-port 2.5GbE x86 appliance on Amazon US for $199 and it's not barebone. Intel AES-NI CPU, 8GB RAM and SSD. It can run much better quality and configurability router OS, can serve for many years and is not affected by current or future FCC decisions.

 

[jzchen]

On TP-Link pricing and availability:
I see 4 generations TP-Link devices in my local store in EU as well as in CA. They have new N300 from ~$20-30, AC1200 from ~$40-50, AX3000 from ~$55-70 and entry-level BE3600 from ~$100-120. There is something for all budgets and needs. The devices are not old stock, TL-WR841N for example is hardware revision V14.

On potentially banned updates:
You can use whatever you have for APs for very long time. I see 4-port 2.5GbE x86 appliance on Amazon US for $199 and it's not barebone. Intel AES-NI CPU, 8GB RAM and SSD. It can run much better quality and configurability router OS, can serve for many years and is not affected by current or future FCC decisions.

Thank you for the potential solution to buying Starlink!

Which seems to be the only option if we want updated routers beyond March of next year. (I'm beginning to wonder if there is any allowance for us to start a petition to ban the FCC)!

 

[jzchen]

I'm almost worried, (not knowing where all the programming is being developed,) that this thread might give the FCC the idea to ban all OS not produced in the US...

 

[jzchen]

Some smart lawyer out there should be starting up a class action lawsuit against the FCC for creating a Starlink Monopoly...

 

[Jeffrey Young]

RAM prices might make this more complicated, but probably still worth it.

The plus side is, as a router, you don't need much in the way of memory. I got some extra DDR4 sticks hanging around.

I fear that my AX86U Pro will be the last Asus (re Merlin) for me. I had built both an OpenWRT and Ubuntu Router on a RaspPi a few years ago using a managed switch. Worked well. As @Tech9 has pointed out, a small Mini X86 with 4 ports may just be the way to go going foreward.

 

[Viktor Jaep]

The plus side is, as a router, you don't need much in the way of memory. I got some extra DDR4 sticks hanging around.

I fear that my AX86U Pro will be the last Asus (re Merlin) for me. I had built both an OpenWRT and Ubuntu Router on a RaspPi a few years ago using a managed switch. Worked well. As @Tech9 has pointed out, a small Mini X86 with 4 ports may just be the way to go going foreward.

Totally agree with my friend, @Jeffrey Young here... Perhaps it would be a good idea for Asus, or other foreign manufacturers that take security SERIOUSLY, to extend the life of their products a few more years to see if we can lapse into new "administration" rules that will allow for the continued sale of freedom of choice, life, liberty and pursuit of routers. But if things go south, I see a fine linux server or maybe a small mini x86 as mentioned in my near future. WTF.

Never anticipated that strategy just 1 year ago. Guess I'll need to rework some scripts here pretty soon in bash if posix doesn't like Ubuntu.

 

[Tech9]

My favorite AI is predicting local multi-billion dollar businesses will buy a pass first. The ones overseas and in case they still call their place ROC may eventually follow later. Moving the development and manufacturing to the silicon level will take years time. Some smaller players like Netgear may not survive. If you die for Netgear consumer grade devices - buy now, put on display.