thelonelycoder

Part of the Furniture
i finally stopped using diversion :oops:

it's no longer just blocking ads
it's blocking retail referral links
and non commercial video hosts.

i really wish coder would allow us
to better distinguish what is an "ad".
i'm done white listing everything i do o_O

diversion may be great for offices that
wanna block everything non commercial
but it sux for consumers relaxing at home.
I came to the same conclusion. It became a constant battle to keep my wife’s internet working. I have resigned that ads are just the price of using the internet today.
Everyone's usage of the Internet is different.
While the Standard blocking list that Diversion uses is good for about 60% of the users, a larger (like I use) or smaller list is better.
Diversion is infinitely configurable what one blocks.
It even has the option to use two blocking lists at the same time, for selected devices. Some call it the wife mode.
I suggest to try one very small and conservatively curated list instead of the pre-set lists that Diversion has built in: https://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/serv...&showintro=0&mimetype=plaintext&useip=0.0.0.0
 

consorts

Senior Member
use a smaller blocking file and you won't get any issues. .

that's simply untrue. i use small, lite whatever coder calls it, and still keep having to use a vpn client on my pc to get past diversion to do anything at home (i know it's diversion, not my browser, dns, anti-malware or firewalls). i understand about list-keepers - years ago i used to block ads in Win7 using HOSTS file. but coder is not making the kind of distinctions home router uses may need to avoid most ads, while still being able to shop, stream, game and forum without getting so many unresolved urls. look, you guys can blow me off, i don't really care, but coder is painting his app into a corner by being too brutal against how the online economy works now in 2020 with referral links and trackers and overseas hosts that some list keeper ruled out because it may have once offended somebody.
 

Asad Ali

Very Senior Member
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Asad Ali

Very Senior Member
that's simply untrue. i use small, lite whatever coder calls it, and still keep having to use a vpn client on my pc to get past diversion to do anything at home (i know it's diversion, not my browser, dns, anti-malware or firewalls). i understand about list-keepers - years ago i used to block ads in Win7 using HOSTS file. but coder is not making the kind of distinctions home router uses may need to avoid most ads, while still being able to shop, stream, game and forum without getting so many unresolved urls. look, you guys can blow me off, i don't really care, but coder is painting his app into a corner by being too brutal against how the online economy works now in 2020 with referral links and trackers and overseas hosts that some list keeper ruled out because it may have once offended somebody.

If you're too unhappy with the lists available online just make one yourself instead of blaming it all on the developers/maintainers.
 

thelonelycoder

Part of the Furniture
that's simply untrue. i use small, lite whatever coder calls it, and still keep having to use a vpn client on my pc to get past diversion to do anything at home (i know it's diversion, not my browser, dns, anti-malware or firewalls). i understand about list-keepers - years ago i used to block ads in Win7 using HOSTS file. but coder is not making the kind of distinctions home router uses may need to avoid most ads, while still being able to shop, stream, game and forum without getting so many unresolved urls. look, you guys can blow me off, i don't really care, but coder is painting his app into a corner by being too brutal against how the online economy works now in 2020 with referral links and trackers and overseas hosts that some list keeper ruled out because it may have once offended somebody.
Then you should understand that I have no control over what those host lists providers add to their lists.
You can use any hosts file, even a self curated list if you want. I and with it Diversion won't stop you doing so.
 

Smokey613

Very Senior Member
Just to be clear, I really like Diversion. It works well for me, just not so much for the wife. I had thought about setting up another cheap router off the isp modem just for her devices. :)
 

thelonelycoder

Part of the Furniture
Just to be clear, I really like Diversion. It works well for me, just not so much for the wife. I had thought about setting up another cheap router off the isp modem just for her devices. :)
Did you read my post above about the alternate blocking list, aka wife mode? It's built into Diversion.
 

jrmwvu04

Very Senior Member
Just to be clear, I really like Diversion. It works well for me, just not so much for the wife. I had thought about setting up another cheap router off the isp modem just for her devices. :)
Just a thought.. one thing you can do for no additional charge is just to change the dns on her device - that is, instead of leaving it on automatic which will go through your router/diversion setup, manually set the dns on her device(s) to google, your isp, etc. No additional router purchase necessary.
 

jrmwvu04

Very Senior Member
No need to do that either, just use DNS FILTER on the router to make her device use any other third party DNS server instead of the router.
Yes, but that is susceptible to being undone if you, for instance, reset your router and forget to reinstate the changes. And then “the internet isn’t working again.” Ask me how I know. Change it on the device and never be scolded (for that at least) again.
 

Asad Ali

Very Senior Member
Yes, but that is susceptible to being undone if you, for instance, reset your router and forget to reinstate the changes. And then “the internet isn’t working again.” Ask me how I know. Change it on the device and never be scolded (for that at least) again.

Lol okay yeah you guys know better how "wives" work. I'm not (yet) married. [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji16]
 

Treadler

Very Senior Member
I don't want to see any ads when I'm surfing. I am reading/researching. Not looking to buy something. :)

When/if I want to buy something? I go reading/researching for that. ;)

When I have guests over and they mention the 'internet' isn't working (i.e. blocking the ads), I say that is the way it's supposed to work and point them to the real 'hits' of their search a few clicks further down.

Diversion is indispensable for giving me what I want from the web (and not the other way around). And when I'm not home, OpenVPN allows me to enjoy that same experience too. :)

Yes, yes, yes!
Haven’t done the vpn thing, but otherwise I wholeheartedly concur.
 

Smokey613

Very Senior Member
Just a thought.. one thing you can do for no additional charge is just to change the dns on her device - that is, instead of leaving it on automatic which will go through your router/diversion setup, manually set the dns on her device(s) to google, your isp, etc. No additional router purchase necessary.

I could do that I guess, manually set IP and dns and hope IPv6 doesn't have a mind of it’s own. :)
 

L&LD

Part of the Furniture
For every one that seems to have issues with Diversion pegging the CPU's at 100%, you may want to try this (if a clean install hasn't fixed it already).
  • Complete a forced update of Diversion.
  • Disable Diversion. Wait until the CPU cores are idle.
  • Disable Unbound (if you have it installed). Wait until the CPU cores are idle.
  • Disable Skynet (what? you don't have this installed?) :) . Wait until the CPU cores are idle.
  • Now, start Skynet and wait at least 2 minutes (it may be longer on non-HND routers). Again, the CPU cores are a good indication here, but the 2 minutes seems to be a minimum time to wait for Skynet to 'settle'.
  • Then, start Unbound. This 'wait' should be much shorter for idle CPUs.
  • Finally, start Diversion. Wait until the CPU cores are idle. This may take the longest (or not!).
At this point, everything should be 'synced' and working in harmony.

Please let us know how it works for you.
 

SomeWhereOverTheRainBow

Part of the Furniture
Did you read my post above about the alternate blocking list, aka wife mode? It's built into Diversion.
I second this option I have used it before, What i did was define my main network on a very small conservative adlist, and I put "my" primary devices on the alternative block list. the only nuances I ran into @thelonelycoder has already fixed several updates ago (he also is fair to give credit for recommendations). The issue was with Dnsmasq option double printing to alternate blocking files dnsmasq.conf. The only caveat to the alternate blocking list is the lack of ability to modify. you have to use dnsmasq.conf.add to add any extra settings. You have to do this cautiously though as not to disrupt the delicate balance of using the alternative block list. Well seriousness aside, now i just run the main blocking list with my devices connected to it. Through my struggles I compiled a decent whitelist that makes all my family members happy.

I have to add, I have blocked with dnscrypt-proxy, unbound, pi-hole, adguard home, diversion, and nextdns.

Out of all of them Diversion blocks the most bang for your buck, while still supporting decent loading speeds. Adguard home and Pi-hole run close second.

With all this being said, We who use Diversion all owe @thelonelycoder A Big Thanks for all his hard work on making a brilliant masterpiece such as diversion is.

-Cheers @thelonelycoder
 
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consorts

Senior Member
A Big Thanks for all his hard work

agreed - sorry if my frustrated rant seems i lack appreciation.
if i was an office manager with an platoon of online users,
i'd be thanking coder daily for covering my liability ass ;)

that said, i'm glad a few chimed in with a similar conundrum,
and the "wife mode" approach coder and others have specified.
next week the wife's taking my teen to florida for spring break
so i'll have the router all to myself, and try various suggestions.

hopefully "wife mode" won't ruin my love of retail deal forums,
reading click bait infested special interest & hobby web sights,
or my use of side loaded (not from play store) android apks.
 

Raphie

Senior Member
It’s not a curated blacklist, it’s actually the curated whitelist that makes the difference.
I had a couple of weeks in the beginning adding entries, got 20 entries or so now and the wife is happy.
 

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